Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by pragmatic » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 1:33 AM UTC

sbf501 wrote: post #327

colechristensen wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, there’s nowhere else for cable news to pull hot takes from social media.

This is the true lifeblood of Twitter. I think if someone created Twitter for journalists, pundits, wonks, and politicians -ONLY- maybe it would be a place to go? Like something that requires a journalism credential, or a TV host, or an actually office holder title. Sure there'd be crazies, but at least there'd be a source for hot takes. Twitter could still exist for "citizen journalism", but the two wouldn't mix as…

Interesting idea.

I was thinking about this a bit and I think the real value is Twitter is the random chance that $FAMOUS_PERSON might notice one of your tweets etc (Eg “Elon retweeted my hot take”)

If you take that away does that remove the essence of the site?

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by noncoml » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 1:34 AM UTC

ozzythecat wrote: post #329

I’m honestly baffled with the obsession with Musk. Many folks here seem to despise him. But we can’t stop obsessing with the guy. At this point, to me it feels like envy. Musk, despite however he is as a person, is wildly successfully across several verticals. Rather than being a suit and tie corporate person, he literally posts memes, and has a IDGAF attitude. Does he owe this crowd anything? Twitter and its board m…

People despise him in HN? Have you looked at the comment section? Looks like the exact opposite to me.

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Post by blackSnake » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 1:34 AM UTC

fleddr wrote: post #301

I think most are missing that this is a code review + loyalty review. For sure a software engineer from Tesla, or even a manager, can get an idea of how valuable/productive a coder is without fully understanding the code in detail. How many PRs? What does the code do? How was it reviewed? What value does it bring to stakeholders (users, business revenue)? Sure enough this way you can get a rough idea of how much work…

The other part of it is Musk probably has good rapport with his engineers from Tesla. There's that trust vs. twitter engineers at the moment may be seen in the eyes of Musk as an unknown, undoubtedly everyone has their guard up because of all the uncertainty.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by iepathos » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 1:34 AM UTC

Interesting, wasting Tesla resources and engineer time to review code from an unrelated business just for Musk... Tesla's board is ok with this why?

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by themitigating » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 1:34 AM UTC

ozzythecat wrote: post #329

I’m honestly baffled with the obsession with Musk. Many folks here seem to despise him. But we can’t stop obsessing with the guy. At this point, to me it feels like envy. Musk, despite however he is as a person, is wildly successfully across several verticals. Rather than being a suit and tie corporate person, he literally posts memes, and has a IDGAF attitude. Does he owe this crowd anything? Twitter and its board m…

I'm confused because you said you were baffled about why people are obsessed then explained why people are obsessed.

I hate him because he emboldens the worst of the right wing in the US and he's probably doing it for attention. I've seen many comments elsewhere where people are celebrating this as a political win.

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Post by themitigating » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 1:35 AM UTC

noncoml wrote: post #382

ozzythecat wrote: post #329

I’m honestly baffled with the obsession with Musk. Many folks here seem to despise him. But we can’t stop obsessing with the guy. At this point, to me it feels like envy. Musk, despite however he is as a person, is wildly successfully across several verticals. Rather than being a suit and tie corporate person, he literally posts memes, and has a IDGAF attitude. Does he owe this crowd anything? Twitter and its board m…

People despise him in HN? Have you looked at the comment section? Looks like the exact opposite to me.

He means "why doesn't everyone like him"

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by vasco » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 1:35 AM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #363

fleddr wrote: post #301

I think most are missing that this is a code review + loyalty review. For sure a software engineer from Tesla, or even a manager, can get an idea of how valuable/productive a coder is without fully understanding the code in detail. How many PRs? What does the code do? How was it reviewed? What value does it bring to stakeholders (users, business revenue)? Sure enough this way you can get a rough idea of how much work…

I think that is actually a terrible way to measure the qualities of an engineer. The most valuable engineers to me are the ones that can bring a thoughtful, elegant, well-implemented solution to a business problem. And typically that doesn't translate to lots of PRs, often is not appreciable from non-engineers and can not be easily judged in a few days. But their work almost always stands the test of time. Before hir…

If I look at my company's gitlab statistics, the best engineers correlate with the top third of number of PRs not only in quality (perceived) but also in volume (number of open/merged PRs). I hear this a lot of the mythical top level engineer that thinks for 3 days and then bursts a small PR that changes the world, but I haven't seen it.

Mostly because for good things to get pushed out in the real world, they are broken apart in several iterations, they will have extra PRs for terraform changes, new tests, new monitors, etc. And those engineers will not only do their core work but also clean up a bug here and there during the week, while mostly never getting stuck on any single change. Curious if you have actually seen the top engineers in your organizations somehow being on the bottom by volume of PRs, because in my experience the differences sometimes are easily 3-5x the volume of PRs.

We do value small PRs and incremental changes that shouldn't take more than a day or less to develop before getting merged, so your mileage may vary if you let people create huge changes in one go (it has some disadvantages I personally don't like in terms of reliability)

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Post by rollnrock » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 1:36 AM UTC

ozzythecat wrote: post #329

I’m honestly baffled with the obsession with Musk. Many folks here seem to despise him. But we can’t stop obsessing with the guy. At this point, to me it feels like envy. Musk, despite however he is as a person, is wildly successfully across several verticals. Rather than being a suit and tie corporate person, he literally posts memes, and has a IDGAF attitude. Does he owe this crowd anything? Twitter and its board m…

Totally disagree. Musk is not some random dude you met on the street. This guy is the richest man today

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Post by threeseed » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 1:37 AM UTC

glitchc wrote: post #364

Musk sounds like a nightmare to work for. Why would any self-respecting developer stick around under these conditions? I expect an exodus of talent from Twitter in short order.

Cult of personality.

Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison, Bill Gates etc. were all a nightmare to work when they were younger.

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Post by dagmx » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 1:38 AM UTC

zzzeek wrote: post #195

ufmace wrote: post #155

I went in assuming that this was going to be a hit piece. It's not quite that bad, but there's elements like that. I have no idea who this "former Tesla engineer" is or what their biases and motivations are, or how the article authors found them. It seems perfectly reasonable for Elon to bring in some people he knows he can trust to help evaluate how Twitter actually works. I presume he's competent enough to do any n…

> It's pretty clear to me that there are elements of the elite media-political complex that are terrified of Elon purchasing Twitter because he's not part of their crowd and they won't be able to control him and through him what is and isn't allowed on Twitter. IMO all articles about this should be read with that in mind. It's pretty clear there are elements of the Hacker News community who are obsessed with "cancel…

Elon appeals to technocrat libertarians.

His combination of technology and capitalism while cutting out all human elements is everything that demographic wants.

It’s devoid of empathy and of the understanding of complex human interactions , or understanding other demographics.

It’s also one of the prime group that come to this site. Technology as an answer to all of societies needs and trying to make a buck off of it at the same time.