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Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by atyppo »

Spooky23 wrote: post #360
kalkin wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provide a link to these statements? How old are they? FWIW I don't live in SF but I've had a couple of car break-ins and I don't even remember if I reported them; it was a formality for insurance purposes if so and I never expected nor saw evidence of any police follow up. Are there cities where that's different?

NYC: > “Bragg said the office will stop prosecuting people for theft of services, trespassing (unless it accompanies a stalking charge), aggravated unlicensed operation, routine traffic violations not accompanied by felony charges, obstructing governmental administration, resisting arrest, and prostitution.“ https://gothamist.com/news/manhattan-da-bragg-tells-staff-st... The Manhattan DA subsequently claimed to roll…

Not that Bragg is any good, but turnstile hopping has been happening long before Bragg. Perhaps it’s gotten worse - I don’t have any data

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by rufus_foreman »

glenda wrote: post #302
lxe wrote: post #166

Got a $1500 bike stolen from the inside of my locked apartment in Potrero Hill back in 2015 or 16. Was very bitter about that -- it was one of the few things I brought with me to SF. Police ignored it. For weeks after I was walking through all the homeless chop shops looking for it. About a month after the theft, I received a call from someone who bought a frame (just the frame) with my serial number at a San Jose fl…

Law enforcement agencies in the US are infamous for stealing billions of dollars of cash from innocent people using civil asset forfeiture.

You think that's the same thing that we're talking about here?

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by jacobolus »

Spooky23 wrote: post #360
kalkin wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provide a link to these statements? How old are they? FWIW I don't live in SF but I've had a couple of car break-ins and I don't even remember if I reported them; it was a formality for insurance purposes if so and I never expected nor saw evidence of any police follow up. Are there cities where that's different?

NYC: > “Bragg said the office will stop prosecuting people for theft of services, trespassing (unless it accompanies a stalking charge), aggravated unlicensed operation, routine traffic violations not accompanied by felony charges, obstructing governmental administration, resisting arrest, and prostitution.“ https://gothamist.com/news/manhattan-da-bragg-tells-staff-st... The Manhattan DA subsequently claimed to roll…

> openly evading Subway fares

Nobody has ever cared about this (nor should they, IMO; disclaimer: I have never lived in NYC). Occasionally journalists go to NYC to interview random residents about fare evasion, and the main response is a shrug.

Frankly, we’d all be generally better off with free public transit. Governments end up paying most of the bill anyway, and increasing transit use would be a big benefit to those most needing help.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by BoorishBears »

galangalalgol wrote: post #317
robswc wrote: post #278

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As someone that's never been a victim of theft, that's wild and I feel like it would just ruin things for quite awhile. I had what I assume was a drunk person, try to get into my apartment once. Not something that should be too scary but I felt uneasy for some time after that. I'd be out wiring the house like ft. knox the next day, if that happened to me haha.

Without doxing yourself can you give a general idea where this place is? Do you know lots of people that have experienced theft and you are just lucky, or is it unusual? I don't think I even know anyone who hasn't had packages stolen or a car broken into or stuff taken from their yard at least. One guy where I used to live went in to get some water while mowing his front yard and came back as people drove away with h…

I've lived in NYC, SF, RDU, Hartford and New Haven (CT), all places that the news would paint as practically ruled by crime, but I've never experienced theft. I lock my doors and keep my car clean and that's been enough.

Despite all the stories in this thread, me and my neighbors here in SF leave our cars out and haven't hade break ins. Even the $100,000 convertible with a soft top parked outside our place most nights hasn't been bothered in the year I've lived here, and I live in NOPA, so not exactly the outskirts.

I think the saying "crime doesn't travel up hill" is very real in SF

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Post by [deleted] »

jshzglr wrote: post #378
chaboud wrote: post #351

I had a car broken into this last weekend. They broke into every rental car in the lot (by the ferry building). A police officer was rolling through, telling people not to leave anything visible in their cars (nothing was visible in mine). I asked him if I could file a report, and he told me I would have to go to the station. He told me he wasn't sticking around and refused to take a report. I had a similar experienc…

You can replace the police force, nothing will change. When cops feel unwanted and disrespected they act accordingly. There's a reason we have a history of unwarranted respect for cops and military members. It's not because they always deserve it, but because you want them to feel like they do.

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Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by carom »

jshzglr wrote: post #378
chaboud wrote: post #351

I had a car broken into this last weekend. They broke into every rental car in the lot (by the ferry building). A police officer was rolling through, telling people not to leave anything visible in their cars (nothing was visible in mine). I asked him if I could file a report, and he told me I would have to go to the station. He told me he wasn't sticking around and refused to take a report. I had a similar experienc…

You can replace the police force, nothing will change. When cops feel unwanted and disrespected they act accordingly. There's a reason we have a history of unwarranted respect for cops and military members. It's not because they always deserve it, but because you want them to feel like they do.

Cops have been useless for a long time. It is why everyone currently hates them. They don't work for us. They don't protect us. They extract money from us to justify their existence. Truly useless.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by sagarm »

koolba wrote: post #124
jacobolus wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Walking around (nearly any part of) San Francisco day or night with a toddler is no problem at all, but don’t leave a backpack sitting on your car’s passenger seat if you don’t want your window smashed. The problem is property crimes not violent crime. One of the main issues is that the SF police are unwilling to lift a finger about nearly anything, and more or less laugh at you if you ask for their help.

> One of the main issues is that the SF police are unwilling to lift a finger about nearly anything. Isn’t this a direct effect of the DA refusing to prosecute? What’s the point of police getting involved if the crime isn’t even considered a crime by the prosecutor?

Before Chesa they blamed Prop 47. There's always some excuse.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by laweijfmvo »

systemvoltage wrote: post #47

If you want to see what's going on in California, just head over to https://old.reddit.com/r/CAguns/ Lot's of people applying for CCW (gun carry permit) because they feel unsafe and it is near impossible to get one in SF city. I am going to be following suit, I purchased a gun last year and going to apply for a CCW, but seems like the waiting list is 3 years and they are actively rejecting Bruen ruling by SCOTUS.

I'm not anti-gun, and fully appreciate the need to protect one's self (and household) at home, but if I ever felt the need to carry a gun outside my home, that would be my signal to move.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by kalkin »

Spooky23 wrote: post #360
kalkin wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provide a link to these statements? How old are they? FWIW I don't live in SF but I've had a couple of car break-ins and I don't even remember if I reported them; it was a formality for insurance purposes if so and I never expected nor saw evidence of any police follow up. Are there cities where that's different?

NYC: > “Bragg said the office will stop prosecuting people for theft of services, trespassing (unless it accompanies a stalking charge), aggravated unlicensed operation, routine traffic violations not accompanied by felony charges, obstructing governmental administration, resisting arrest, and prostitution.“ https://gothamist.com/news/manhattan-da-bragg-tells-staff-st... The Manhattan DA subsequently claimed to roll…

I don't see muggings, burglaries, or car break-ins in that quote.

Not that you were asserting otherwise but it doesn't seem like support for disinterest in theft being a prosecutor choice rather than a cop choice.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by whatshisface »

heavyset_go wrote: post #361
pclmulqdq wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing that if a rich, white or Asian tech worker decided to loot a Walgreens, they would get the book thrown at them. Look at the small business owners in New York who get arrested and charged with everything possible by the DA's office for defending themselves (until public pressure forces them to back down). That's where we are. This is what the people voted for, though.

Why would they loot a Walgreens when they could loot the payroll? Wage theft is the most common form of theft[1] in the country and it's almost completely unenforced. [1] https://www.epi.org/publication/wage-theft-bigger-problem-fo...

Tech workers can't commit wage theft.
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