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Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by ghaff »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #375
UncleOxidant wrote: post #250

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Can't recall where I heard this recently, a podcast I think, there was a CS professor talking about undergrad introductory programming classes. He said that about 5 years back his students stopped coming in with experience using a PC because they'd only been using phones/tablets. So the prof said it was kind of like going back ~25 years when not a lot of incoming students had PC experience either.

I rarely see people who can touch type quickly on keyboards these days. Even members of my generation can't seem to do it anymore.

I never learned touch typing--I basically never used a typewriter until college and a word processor afterwards. (Nor any formal shorthand.) But I still am a pretty fast typist so long as I can look at the keyboard and get frustrated in a hurry even doing searches--much less editing--on a tablet. I know people who even write a lot who can handle doing it on a tablet with an external keyboard but I'll travel with a laptop rather than trying it.

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ar_lan wrote: post #373
ghaff wrote: post #263

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Was talking to someone at work and their kid didn't want a laptop because they were fine with doing papers on their phone. Blows my mind (and that of others) but I guess that's where we are. Interesting situation. I never touched a PC until after college. But, yeah, there was at least a period where basic "computer literacy" was expected. Maybe things have shifted again.

I, and most of us on here, are likely power users of computers, and beyond my job, they are a big portion of my hobby as well. I acknowledge I'm in a unique situation where I run a home lab and so I have a local cloud, but because of that, I can effectively do 100% of my job off an iPad Pro (I don't want to for quite a few reasons, but I could). If I didn't have my home lab, I could get close by deploying my OS on AW…

>iPads are basically beefier versions of even that.

I'm happy using a good Chromebook for most things but I've never found an iPad--even with external keypad--to be an adequate substitute for anything involving text editing.

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Post by scarface74 »

shakezula wrote: post #377
scarface74 wrote: post #371

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In 2008, spending was in the toilet after the housing crash. That’s not the case now.

Do you think inflation and supply chain issues could have a similar effect as a decrease in spending?

Why would “supply chain issues “ reduce spending? If a company is having supply chain issues, that by definition means that there is more demand than they can supply. Meaning people are willing to spend money. What are companies going to do when they get supply if they lay off workers?

Besides, if you work for any tech company, you should be able to throw your resume in the aid and get another job. Even if you are a blue collar worker, there are plenty of companies looking. I have a friend who works in finance for a major manufacturer. He said the company had to be a lot more lax about firing factory workers because they already had a shortage.

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Post by selimthegrim »

wongarsu wrote: post #144
icapybara wrote: post #114

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Computer chips are a product that is only possible to produce at the largest scales. Everything, from the supply chain to design to manufacturing, is a globalized effort. You’ll never have small mom and pop fabs.

If everyone realizes it's a national security issue, that might change. Sure, US, EU and China have players in the industry and can attract fabs with a bit of incentive, but what if Russia or India or Pakistan or Brazil or Iran want to ensure a steady supply even under sanctions? Some of them might open up smaller fabs that might not be economically viable but are of strategic importance.

Doesn’t Malaysia have fabs? Singapore?

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Post by ar_lan »

ghaff wrote: post #382
ar_lan wrote: post #373

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I, and most of us on here, are likely power users of computers, and beyond my job, they are a big portion of my hobby as well. I acknowledge I'm in a unique situation where I run a home lab and so I have a local cloud, but because of that, I can effectively do 100% of my job off an iPad Pro (I don't want to for quite a few reasons, but I could). If I didn't have my home lab, I could get close by deploying my OS on AW…

>iPads are basically beefier versions of even that. I'm happy using a good Chromebook for most things but I've never found an iPad--even with external keypad--to be an adequate substitute for anything involving text editing.

Yeah - it's a specific implementation of the general idea. Chromebooks essentially fit the same bill. I just happen to have an iPad (and I do most arch design with a stylus so the Apple Pencil is fairly crucial to my workflow).

I'm fairly happy with the magic keyboard with it, but understand different preferences!

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spfzero wrote: post #166
cowmix wrote: post #117

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I've typed this before but I'll type it again here. About 10 years ago I ran the local Python Meetup group here in Phoenix. Intel had/has a big presence here and one of they guys who worked on the Atom team (doing compiler optimizations for that chip family) told us (at one of the Meetups)Intel corporate didn't like how good a processor Atom was shaping up to be. They were worried it would start to cannibalize their…

If someone is going to eat your current business, it's better if it is you. Fear of cannibalization is basically, "our customers will find out we have an even better product for them than the one they are currently buying from us." It's a good thing for your customers, and it's good for the long-term competitiveness of your company.

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Post by noobermin »

wahern wrote: post #159
magicloop wrote: post #124

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Actually that is the "Innovator's Dilemma" in action. Managers will always prefer to safeguard and enhance the high margin aspects of the business and discourage/under-invest in low margin disruptor aspects of the business due to cannibalization of profits and thus missing profit guidance for the quarter (thus losing compensation personally). They knew the tide was changing but organisation dynamics prevents a course…

> missing profit guidance for the quarter The Innovator's Dilemma isn't about missing quarterly guidance. The dilemma is that it's perfectly rational and profit maximizing to continue focusing on your cash cow even when obsolescence is a foregone conclusion. It wouldn't be a true dilemma, otherwise. The incumbent is the only player that can maximally squeeze the very considerable remaining profits from old technology…

Except it didn't actually work out. It worked out at the time, and thus was "perfectly rational" then but rationality should not have a limited time horizon because then it is limited. This is the problem with short-term thinking, it eventually leads to loss.

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Post by ghaff »

ar_lan wrote: post #385
ghaff wrote: post #382

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>iPads are basically beefier versions of even that. I'm happy using a good Chromebook for most things but I've never found an iPad--even with external keypad--to be an adequate substitute for anything involving text editing.

Yeah - it's a specific implementation of the general idea. Chromebooks essentially fit the same bill. I just happen to have an iPad (and I do most arch design with a stylus so the Apple Pencil is fairly crucial to my workflow). I'm fairly happy with the magic keyboard with it, but understand different preferences!

Yeah, I don't really draw much and I'm used to a mouse/touchpad for editing so it's probably a matter of what I'm used to. Also, at events I often want a laptop on my, well, lap and tablets+keyboard don't work as well for that.

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

kmeisthax wrote: post #372
gtirloni wrote: post #351

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Who cares what a desktop processor plugged to a wall outlet consumes? Seriously, if you care about power consumption, don't buy a K processor.

Traditionally nobody, but the massive power consumption of the RTX 4090 combined with a power-hungry CPU might make people take notice. When your desktop needs a dedicated circuit you have a problem.

My microwave uses 1200 or 1500 watts and does not need a dedicated circuit. Sure, I don’t run it continuously for an hour, but that has nothing to do with whether or not it needs a dedicated circuit.

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Post by [deleted] »

rvz wrote: post #303
jcadam wrote: post #266

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That was sarcasm, downvoter.

I didn't downvote, but reading your comment reminded me of the denials some have made about a 'recession' and finding more excuses to deny and wait for the official 'figures'. By the time they are released, it is too late. I still stand by what I said about already being in a recession months ago since November, in this classic comment: [0] but then one said: "No. That is completely false. We are most certainly not i…

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