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>>35 year old engineers were making more money than leading heart surgeons with 35 years of work experience. Indian here and can confirm. This sort of situation is why so many people in comparable professions(like medicine) resent software people in India. Having said this I do believe software people deserve to make more than doctors. Medicine especially after a while can be about trivia scholars. Software on the ot…

> Having said this I do believe software people deserve to make more than doctors. My uncle is one of the leading lung specialists in the country. When Covid happened, his expertise was crucial in setting up the processes and best practices for dealing with everything from patient isolation to treatment protocols. It was because of hundreds of doctors like him that literally millions of lived were saved. do you reall…

>>When Covid happened,

>>do you really think his expertise is worth less than some leetcoder with 5 years of devops experience?

All due respects to your uncle and his life's work. But I was there during peak COVID in hospitals all round. My dad was a post operative patient. Doctors had totally vanished from the scene. They had quite literally dumped all the work on junior nurses, not even the senior ones. I even got abused by one doctor for just asking how my dad was doing, and this on a call, not even a face to face appointment.

Right after this mess, where nurses didn't have a remote clue how to deal with complicated cases and we were making it up on guess work, because the 'experts' were too high sitting on their Ivory towers to even be bothered when patients were dropping dead like flies. What followed next was the worst sort of testing and consultation bills. I have seen people cry outside the gates and sitting on chairs. Much to the heartlessness and carelessness of these people.

There's a reason why so many people just don't out right respect or appreciate doctors in India. Most doctors have a very exaggerated sense of self worth and capabilities. They think they are gods and must treated as such because they think their academic training is long and expensive. For this very reason they think they have a right to indulge in price gouging. They also harbour deep resentment towards professions like engineering where there is more intellectual heavylifting work involved than their own profession will ever arrive at.

In all most doctors are just angry with their own choices for opting into medicine, they resent people richer than them. They resent professions better than them. Its a concentration point for sadist people, who go to any extent to humiliate others and indulge in price gouging.

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After moving to US they still resent software people. It's not just money. They tend to imagine themselves as more intellectually capable people[due to their degree requiring long and expensive academic training] compared to engineers in general. Which isn't true. And it's not just about software. They look at something like a big dam, skyscraper, a F1 car, a fighter jet, or something like Google and kind of feel ins…

I reckon a part of this is the relatively relaxed learning curve to coding (not software engineering). As someone who taught himself how to code last year, I can tell you that it wasn’t particularly challenging to put together a product that the average lay person would call “software/app”. So much of the work has been abstracted away by actual engineers. I can imagine how someone who doesn’t understand the complexit…

If the deal is making money there are better ways than even coding, you better off working a job in Gulf, or learning something like stock trading well. Coding just happens to be placeholder for a range of jobs that pay well currently.

>>A doctor needs a decade of effort to make anything similar.

MBBS is just a basic diploma. In the first 50% academic time of MBBS they just teach you how a healthy body works, because often the biggest confusion in treating a patient is to know what's is normal and what is a disease. This is followed by a assorted set of courses which touch upon basic disease-cure scenarios. And some small introduction to chemicals and their side effects on biology.

These people basically spend something like 7 years just to get here. MD is a different deal in India. Because the academics aren't really all that great and its just a detailed introduction into some organ speciality for just 2 years. Most people even here just go by established clinical practices in hospitals(a.k.a cya work)

In all the actual training is just 3 years. Its not an engineers fault that their profession is just trivia, and if-else scenarios for the most most part. This is where the resentment part comes in. Most engineers, or atleast the serious ones which make good salaries have gone too far both intellectually and in productivity in those 10 years.

The vast majority of doctors in India work in their own private clinics earning little money, treating small time fevers and stomach aches because that is the maximum you can do with that kind of training. You will be shocked just how far behind they are generally in the knowledge. Most will struggle to give you basic fitness and nutrition advice.

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After moving to US they still resent software people. It's not just money. They tend to imagine themselves as more intellectually capable people[due to their degree requiring long and expensive academic training] compared to engineers in general. Which isn't true. And it's not just about software. They look at something like a big dam, skyscraper, a F1 car, a fighter jet, or something like Google and kind of feel ins…

> They tend to imagine themselves as more intellectually capable people Are they aware of, or perpetuate the stereotype of the CS/IT student who memorizes braindumps to pass certification exams or post simple homework questions online or on StackOverflow, asking others to do the work for them? As an aside, I work with a lot of engineers/PhD researcher types who think they are the smartest, nothing could ever be their…

Those are not the type of engineers they resent either.

They resent literally the top engineers. Because they think they did better in entrance exams. Only geniuses are supposed to be doctors, and they also paid more fees and spent more time studying. So why aren't they making more money than those engineers?

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Which is surprising considering how bad it is.

In what way is iMessage bad? It works amazingly well from my perspective.

iMessage when I have to use my MacBook because my phone is charging is amazingly awful, completely inflexible.

Have you not used another messaging app?

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This is the kind of comment that gets a lot of likes and hearts on facebook

For someone who once bemoaned the lack of deeper discussions, you sure throw out a lot of flippant one-liners yourself.

Blunt does not equal disrespectful. You are being flippant by making it personal. One can convey meaning without writing pages of text. I will keep doing so

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It is more crazy if you remember when they bought whatssapp it was less than 20 employees supporting a billion user. And the app doesn't look like it changed that much since it started being supported by 10,000 employees (guessing).

> And the app doesn't look like it changed that much... You didn't intend it, but that is a complement of the highest order. Thanks! Those who've worked on large systems over many years will understand what I mean.

We've entered distopia

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It’s crazy to me how Facebook has so many employees when their entire business is basically managing 3 software products (Facebook, instagram and the advertising platform). Meanwhile I think Apple has about the same number of employees if you subtract the retail Apple store workers. Yet, Apple’s business is comprised of managing, and this is only a rough guess: - 30+ hardware products and their supply chain, marketin…

If you look from the outside yes, however there is low we don't know about FB and hidden works not producing a product etc just yet.They are very long term focused and very different from Tim Apple's idea of a company as an operational engine.

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Oh come off your high horse. The comment reflects the sentiment of many a commenter. Your choice to forgo your stock is neither here nor there. I hope your salary was enough to live comfortably after finishing

I'm still working 20-something hours at pushing 40 precisely because that stock had been the retirement plan. I don't regret it, it was the wrong place to be at the time for me after thinking deeply on it. And people with more knowledge throwing up a caution flag when people with less knowledge go all 1-bit is a pretty core value on the site. It's not a high horse, I get out of line on here more often than I'd like,…

Well then, let us all break out our extra small violins, and play a somber tune, for the person in their late 30s who still has to work 20 hours a week.

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Poor Workplace, always forgotten. https://www.workplace.com/

Hah, does anyone use this?Seems like such an odd product for business…

It's actually pretty good.

Better than chat for fostering async-style communication. Better than email at discoverability.

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