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Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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For someone invested in decentralized protocols, it just sounds like people trying to reinvent the wheel. "let’s make it decentralized" "wow, very cool idea". Those guys are business guys but they have no idea what they are talking about. They don’t know the first bit about technical decentralization, about prior art, about the politics involved. They are so close of realizing that their companies are Frankenstein mo…

God forbid someone learns business and has produced multiple successful businesses in some of the most forward looking, technical fields. That does not immediately disqualify their ability to know technical topics and if even may signal quite the opposite. This level of elitism often among the HN crowd creates an echo chamber that stifles innovation since it arbitrarily discriminates the dissemination & mixing of ideas that aren't fully "technical". These guys understand the concepts and can communicate with each other with that shared understanding and constructs. It's wild but that's how the top people within the field may chat, simply, efficient, and pointedly.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean administration is decentralized? Sounds like what they were going for.

> You mean administration is decentralized? (not OP) Not really. Accounts are linked to one single instance, and if the admin of that instance decides to ban you, the other instances can’t do anything about it. It’s not one decentralized administration but a lot of smaller centralized administrations.

Why would other instances have any say over it? Like what you're describing is the purpose of decentralization. What you want is one large centralized administration that can dictate what each smaller instance can do. You're basically describing Reddit at that point.

It's like claiming IRC isn't decentralized because the mods in a channel can kick people out for spam or whatever.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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two white rich guys talking about a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

dorsey should be extremely happy that twitter even took off and not lament how he is going to start a new company to fix it. if this was his principle he should have reached out to people like musk to begin with and not drive twitter to motization, etc.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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post #61

What/who is Dorsey referring to when he says "Back when we had the activist come in" ? It's cute Musk thinks decentralised Twitter is a 'Super interesting idea' - come on, really? It's like two people discussing Blockchain when it first entered into the Zeitgeist a decade ago.

Mudge, maybe?

Where would you get any indication that Mudge is/was an activist? Or that Dorsey would have seen him as such 6 months ago?

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I was pretty firmly of the theory that his real motive re Twitter was basically narcissism, and I'm still not sure that's wrong. Why is it so hard to believe that Musk genuinely believes in exactly the version of "freedom of speech" that everyone in his generation grew up with, that served as the impetus for much of the internet's creation, etc.?

Well personally I don't believe that because I watched his ted talk and it didn't seem like he had spent more than a few minutes thinking through the specifics of what his implementation of free speech would mean.

Agree, he seems to lacking incredible nuance in the different levels of free speech.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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post #12

> I intend to do this work and fix our mistakes Sounds like every other billionaire who once they have one foot in the grave rediscover themselves as philanthropists... You can't fix it Jack, you fucked it up big time and shitting out yet another platform won't ever make it better

> one foot in the grave

Dude is 45 and healthy - ageist much?

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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post #231

You can see in the other Tweets posted by that account that he acknowledges that he knows Twitter has fake users prior to making a private offer. Although the fake users thing was never and is not a valid legal reason to void the contract. However, it's incredible to see that he didn't have the foresight not text about the fact that he knew this ahead of time.

You're either deliberately ignoring facts to retcon this, or have not paid much attention to this at all. The question has never been "are there bots?"; it has been "did Twitter mislead me/the public about how many?".

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It seems to me that once your middle management is infested with non-tech people (because you couldn't resist "growing" forever), you don't stand a chance anymore. I fixed a redundancy for you. Otherwise, spot on, and if I had one of those vinyl printers my wife uses to put things like “Home is where your heart is” on the wall, I’d print this, and hang it secretly on the bathroom walls at work. I’m experiencing thi…

Flat management hasn't really worked well for Valve. With no formal power structures they seem to have just formed informal power structures which aren't necessairly pushing the company forward...

If valve didn't have access to free effortless money then it's informal structures might look very different by necessity. As of now there must not be much drive to change anything.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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For someone invested in decentralized protocols, it just sounds like people trying to reinvent the wheel. "let’s make it decentralized" "wow, very cool idea". Those guys are business guys but they have no idea what they are talking about. They don’t know the first bit about technical decentralization, about prior art, about the politics involved. They are so close of realizing that their companies are Frankenstein mo…

I think Dalton Caldwell laid out an interesting vision of the "Twitter as protocol" argument: http://daltoncaldwell.com/what-twitter-could-have-been

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Interesting that Jack keeps the tracking code on Twitter shared links

Very interesting. I noticed that too, in part because I always remove it from the Twitter links I copy; even though I'm not entirely sure what/how it tracks, I know enough to know it's not needed to load the tweet in question.
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