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Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by sentientslug »

geertj wrote: post #369
epolanski wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hans is known to have cheated, his coach is known to have cheated, add low security in the event, Hans beating Magnus (a player two tiers above him) on black pieces (Magnus has lost only 15 games against black in an entire world champion career) and Hans acting suspicious during the game and here we are.

> Hans is known to have cheated Do you have a link to this? Proof that this player has cheated in the past would be the strongest evidence, I believe, he'd do so again.

Niemann during an interview admitted to having cheated in the past

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by jacobsenscott »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #174

Magnus isn't trying to be judge, jury and executioner by refusing to play Hans. He has stated before that merely having suspicions (e.g. based on past cheating as in Niemann's case) about your opponent possibly cheating completely ruins one's mentality during a game. He simply wants to avoid going through that, which imo is understandable.

Any opponent could cheat at anytime. Cheating in chess is a fact of life, and can't be stopped. Other professional sports have mostly come to terms with this, and chess needs to as well.

When you have proof of cheating the sport's authorities take action (not individual players). When you don't you let the games go on knowing some folks are getting away with it sometimes.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by jdthedisciple »

geertj wrote: post #369
epolanski wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hans is known to have cheated, his coach is known to have cheated, add low security in the event, Hans beating Magnus (a player two tiers above him) on black pieces (Magnus has lost only 15 games against black in an entire world champion career) and Hans acting suspicious during the game and here we are.

> Hans is known to have cheated Do you have a link to this? Proof that this player has cheated in the past would be the strongest evidence, I believe, he'd do so again.

This is not disputed, he has admitted to it himself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU6UJz_X8DU

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by MichaelCollins »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #250
MichaelCollins wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If someone kills a person at 16. Should the killer be in prison for life? If you murder somebody at 16, you shouldn't be a free man at 19. Three years is not enough time for somebody to mature and mellow.

People really start to mature and become aware of their responsibilities and consequences for their actions at 15. So 16 years old person has only about 1 year of adult life experience vs 4 years at 19.

I think your estimation is about 10 years too young.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by aqme28 »

syncerr wrote: post #227

Hans is clearly cheating. Comparing his past games against what an engine would do is pretty damning. Chess engines are far superior to players and the best players in the world top out in the high 70s percent correlations (Magnus averages around 70%). Hans has a string of games at 100% correlation[0], meaning he's playing perfect games. Past players who achieved this later went on to admit to cheating[1]. Magnus kno…

That "100%" analysis is very deeply flawed. The author of the video even issued a retraction (https://twitter.com/IglesiasYosha/status/1574308784566067201...).

It's cherry-picked games and it doesn't compare to the "engine correlation" of other high ranked players against similar opponents. I would not rely on it as evidence that Hans is "clearly cheating."

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by bombcar »

Bakary wrote: post #110
bombcar wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a carefully worded statement like this (clearly it has been reviewed by legal council) you will say things that cannot be charged as defamation in the appropriate courts. It's also a gambit to get Hans to say something like "sure, Carlsen, say whatever you want" which could be used as a defense in a defamation case. There's even a hint that Carlsen has evidence of cheating that has yet to be revealed (but not this…

I was about to say that the word is counsel but, come to think of it, Carlsen can well afford an entire council of lawyers.

Ha! Good catch (did you have a computer help you!!!) but I daresay Carlsen's lawyer and perhaps Chess.com's have reviewed the statement.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by casion »

geertj wrote: post #369
epolanski wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hans is known to have cheated, his coach is known to have cheated, add low security in the event, Hans beating Magnus (a player two tiers above him) on black pieces (Magnus has lost only 15 games against black in an entire world champion career) and Hans acting suspicious during the game and here we are.

> Hans is known to have cheated Do you have a link to this? Proof that this player has cheated in the past would be the strongest evidence, I believe, he'd do so again.

He admitted to having previously cheated. The admission happened during the Sinquefeld cup, on stream, during the event.

Having cheated in prior history is not a question, but the extent and recency of the behavior is.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by roflyear »

why-el wrote: post #334
roflyear wrote: post #279

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Can mean anything. It was very impressive.

You are hung up on the wrong thing. Parent writes: "[clear consensus that] there was absolutely nothing unusual about it", I quote one of the greats saying the game is "more than impressive", which, at least we should agree, is the exact opposite of claiming there is "nothing unusual about this game". Onus is on parent to come up with a list of grandmasters claiming the game was "usual", at least I provided one refut…

Correct. They will not come up with a list of GMs saying Hans cheated. Many GMs have said that it doesn't seem like he did (at least during the game with Magnus).

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by psychphysic »

root_axis wrote: post #236
erdevs wrote: post #97

A key fact to understand in thinking about cheating in over the board chess: a strong player can defeat a much stronger opponent with just 1-3 hints per game indicating the strongest move. For example, most chess experts agree that a ~2600 rated player with 2-3 hints at key moments per game would be expected to beat a ~2800 rated player. Many people might assume that a cheater needs guidance every move, thereby requi…

> Many people might assume that a cheater needs guidance every move, thereby requiring a potentially more obvious cheating mechanism. That is not the case. IMO, this reasoning potentially implicates every high level player. If it's possible that two hints can account for the difference between 2600 and 2800, and a 19 year old kid under heavy scrutiny can exploit this weakness without being detected, it seems assured…

Hot take, but chess is a zombie sport.

Software running in a smartphone can play deep games against each other.

Chess engines aren't like car engines are to sprinting. They are more akin to text-to-image AIs but as though every single picture they produce is better than what any artist ever could produce.

Part of that is because Chess is easily defined (the win conditions are comparatively simple).

I'm rambling now and I think that's enough wall of text for a hot take.

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