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It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by philippejara »

lightsandaounds wrote: post #147
sidewndr46 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, this is the most entitled attitude I've seen in a long time. You let your kids play online, where they can communicate with basically anyone. So the solution is to grant a central authority total power to ban anyone who doesn't comply with the standards you want for your children. This is the online equivalent of a homophobe complaining that two men holding hands in the park will turn their children gay.

I understand your point, but I would be upset if I took my family to Chuck E Cheese's and there was a table full of adults loudly talking about their raunchy escapades from the night before. I think it is a fair assumption that a child's game will have clean chat.

There seems to be a big misconception here that minecraft started with a focus on young kids, when it started with a focus on teenagers/young adults, 4chan for one was an absolutely huge part of its audience during its early days, we are not talking about a mlp situation here.

That aside, dedicated servers.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by OrangeMonkey »

kuschku wrote: post #370
OrangeMonkey wrote: post #26

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Cloudflare banned Kiwifarms (this ban is well justified), but Kiwifarms can still run their own servers, if they'd like. The issue here is that Microsoft bans you from playing even on your own, self-hosted server you're running in your home serverrack .

Cloudflare banned Kiwifarms (this ban is not justified), and Kiwifarms is still running their own servers. Which are ddos'ed by people who don't want others to hear what they say. Some people are thankful that they were able to convince a corporation to remove its fire protection from a server so it could be burned down in peace.

Look, Microsoft is just trying to protect you from bad actors and bad words. Imagine if someone was trying to use minecraft chat to spread the same message that was in kiwifarms. Without Microsoft regulating speech, then those bad actors words may get out to the public. You "can still run your own servers, if you'd like" - but instead of getting ddosed you just will be listed as unsafe.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by croak3r »

ckemere wrote: post #94

It's apparently a minority voice opinion here on HN, but I for one appreciate what Microsoft is trying to do. As a parent of a 6 and 9 year old who have really gotten into Minecraft during COVID, I appreciate them basically deciding "We want Minecraft to be a game for kids and an online community that is nice." I get why people are frustrated, but I also like the idea of a global decision that forces servers open to…

Why not just police what servers your kids join and choose ones that are kid friendly? I don't see why those of us that have been playing Minecraft since before your kids were even born should be forced into the same restrictions as kids.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by bathory »

fxtentacle wrote: post #281
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #202

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> Every couple of months one of his friends will get banned for no reason. I know you want to trust your child’s friends, but “it happened for no reason” is exactly what kids say when they don’t want to own up to the consequences of their actions. Obviously, you can only monitor your own child’s gameplay and not what their friends are doing on their own time. I strongly suspect there’s more going on than you realize.…

I have a group of 30+ friends who play minecraft, use a separate TeamSpeak server and they also regularly talk about getting banned without obvious reason. And I was once banned from Dota2 for "intentional feeding" which I guess is just a fancy way of saying that the others in my team expected my skill level to be higher than it was. These online ban systems really are random. And typically the "moderation" is fully…

I have spent more than 10’000 hours in DotA 2. You do not get banned for a single game no matter how bad you perform.

It has to be on a very regular basis, and even then you probably first get put into low priority matchmaking as your behavior score drops. Banning accounts usually only applies to cheats or buying and selling accounts.

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Post by PurpleRamen »

RUN12 wrote: post #217
causalmodels wrote: post #213

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> I highly doubt this. The Minecraft FAQ has this to say about it: This level of naïvety is somewhat endearing.

And yet far less naive than believing a group of 10 year-olds are being repeatedly banned for no reason with their chat off, instead of the obvious that when parents aren't looking they're being abusive to others in chat. Reminds me of the classic: > No, I wasn't looking at dirty websites, it was a virus!

If a company is repeatedly banning 10 years old without explanation, in a game where they know that 10 years old are common, then obviously the company is at fault. Kids are not adults, they are not responsible for their fails, and they can't learn without explanation. It doesn't matter whether they did something ban-worthy, they are kids..

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by rubenwardy »

RUN12 wrote: post #214
kragen wrote: post #41

Minetest is probably the best Minecraft alternative; it's free and open source software, which avoids the danger associated with centralized retaliation systems like the one Microsoft is operating. Also, it's easier to write mods for, partly because mods are written in Lua, and you don't have to install mods on the client, just the server. https://www.minetest.net/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6Fyav6FiIs The vide…

As someone who used to be a part of the Minetest scene, it's not even remotely close. While it's low-end requirements are better, it runs remarkably poorly for what it is. It's (default subgame is) a decade behind Minecraft in terms of usability/features. It's barely maintained, especially after one of the big modders and graphics developers died to a heart disease. And with the mods, it's only "easier" at the very s…

> It's (default subgame is) a decade behind Minecraft in terms of usability/features. It's barely maintained,

This is intentional and the default game will be removed by default. Users will instead be directed to the built-in content downloader to install a game. The default game is designed to be modded, and you're also encouraged to install other games. Minetest is a game platform and a game engine, rather than just a game

> especially after one of the big modders and graphics developers died to a heart disease.

We have a new graphics developer, they've added dynamic shadows and a post processing stage. This improves the performance of tone mapping, and allows for effects like godrays, bloom, and depth of field. They've also worked a fair bit on performance improvements and bug fixes, like better depth sorting

> No dynamic skyboxes, no fulrotation

Both of these have been supported for years

> no way to handle subgrids

This is mostly out of scope, Minetest is a block voxel game engine. But you can do this anyway, see the go mod - it allows you to place pieces on a board

> no overriding mouse controls.

You can rebind mouse controls using the config file. There's a settings redesign coming soon as well, the plan is improve the keybindings menu there too

> Forms have terribly poor ergonomic

This is one of our roadmap goals. One of our developers is working on a new UI API, there's also work on a new mainmenu and maintenance on the existing API

The current UI API has improved a lot in the last couple of years

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You are right about a lot of the limitations though, such as custom keybindings. We are working to improve this - we have adopted a roadmap to provide focus. You can keep up with development on our blog: https://blog.minetest.net/

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by weberer »

8jy89hui wrote: post #2

Does anyone have any insight into why Microsoft thought this was necessary? Minecraft has been server-moderated for years now and has been wildly successful. I've never heard of any hate groups or even hateful servers (I'm sure they exist, but they don't make the news in a way that would harm Microsoft). Is there some legislation that would make it a liability for Microsoft to not moderate all the chat? This move jus…

Because a new Minecraft account costs $30, and they know people will just make a new one if permabanned. It's an extremely scummy way to squeeze out more money from existing customers.

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Post by marcus_holmes »

rndgermandude wrote: post #180
ckemere wrote: post #94

It's apparently a minority voice opinion here on HN, but I for one appreciate what Microsoft is trying to do. As a parent of a 6 and 9 year old who have really gotten into Minecraft during COVID, I appreciate them basically deciding "We want Minecraft to be a game for kids and an online community that is nice." I get why people are frustrated, but I also like the idea of a global decision that forces servers open to…

I have no issue with Microsoft setting community standards for the online spaces they run, or anybody else for that matter. But Microsoft is setting community standards for places they do not run here, just because these spaces use their software. This is ridiculous, and sets yet another dangerous precedent. What's next? Maybe Office 360 profanity filter, where your Office 360 account gets banned for writing about th…

Google Docs/Drive is well-known for deleting user-written documents that they don't like, so nothing new here.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by [deleted] »

probably_wrong wrote: post #342
oynqr wrote: post #331

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Have you never destroyed a sand castle? Toppled a Jenga tower? Destruction is fun.

Destroying my own sand castle and enjoying it is fun. Destroying someone else's castle and enjoying it is called "being a psychopath".

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by philippejara »

bmacho wrote: post #345
chungy wrote: post #236

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It was also a personal (and opinion) statement from Markus Persson (notch), who fully owned the game at the time, predating the formation of Mojang, let alone Mojang's acquisition by Microsoft. I'm disheartened also by the fact it'll never become open source, but the statement was never legally-binding and never part of the terms that a purchase of Minecraft (in alpha, at that) entailed.

I believe Microsoft bought that "I will release the game source code as some kind of open source." promise as well. This is how things work, right?

Is that even relevant when not given any timeframe? I can and did believe Notch back when he said it, I don't think he was trying to be misleading, but with no timeframe and the game being the size that it is now microsoft might as well release the source code, yes, 500 years from now.
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