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EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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As someone that is currently in the market for a new car, I would love to get an EV, but I also don't have a good way to charge. Seems like most EV owners just charge at their house, but what about people that don't have access to a good power tap? (apartment dwellers, renters, etc.) Sometimes it feels like there is a group of EV elites out there that are predicting the complete demise of ICEs while conveniently down…

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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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I'm in the US near Seattle. I don't have a bell, and I've got too much junk on my bars already to add one. When I've seen bells in use, they tends to spook the pedestrians anyway. Obviously it helps if they're ubiquitous.

I'm in Finland and most bikes come with a bell attached to them. To me they kind of feel like a thing every bicycle should have, like cars have horns.

They're a legal requirement in Denmark. Some take them off, especially the Tour de France LARPers that go in groups in the countryside, and just shout at you instead. Everyone hates them.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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I can keep a couple jerry cans of gas around and toss them in the back of a ICE to get 150-200% of my range, or share with people in need. You cannot do this with an ev.

Sure thing, but keeping 10 gallons of gasoline is more than a couple of cans. And even then, so what? How many people need to do that, or will ever do that, except for off-roading or obscure jobs? This is a legitimate use, but for a vanishingly small number of people. Back when LED lights were first being pushed, we saw a lot of the same resistance to a new product that was superior for nearly every single use case,…

LED lights burn out prematurely in over half the fixtures in my house because they are fully enclosed. The bulbs can’t take the heat. This is true even for bulbs that claim they are suitable for use in fully enclosed luminaires. I have switched back to compact fluorescents.

It seems to me that EV advocates aren’t very similar to what we see with LED bulbs. EV advocates refuse to even acknowledge that EVs are not for everyone. Instead they want to ban alternatives. At least I can still buy compact fluorescent bulbs.

It’s as if laptop computer advocates wanted to ban desktops. Surely the laptop is all anyone needs.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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As someone that is currently in the market for a new car, I would love to get an EV, but I also don't have a good way to charge. Seems like most EV owners just charge at their house, but what about people that don't have access to a good power tap? (apartment dwellers, renters, etc.) Sometimes it feels like there is a group of EV elites out there that are predicting the complete demise of ICEs while conveniently down…

Thanks for raising this issue—as you point out, it's often ignored—but I'd posit it's even worse than you (and others on this thread) indicate. When the issue is framed at all, it's usually boiled down to "landlords won't want to install chargers in the apartment garages" with the possible counterpoint of "demand will force them to" or there will be subsidies or etc etc. But there are vast, vast numbers of people who…

Maybe finally THIS will force regulation of parking so people will simply have no way of leaving their car in a random place like that. Japanese way of doing it - "if you don't have a permanent, legally fixed place to park your car, you can't buy a car" - is just right.

We have too many cars filling in sidewalks, narrow city roads reducing them to single-lane, and so on. That's a problem in itself, and while it was only about people's convenience, harsh measures were hard to justify - but now we can frame it as "it's either that or Putin is coming for you" - and it becomes easier.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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In real world conditions the highest range Model S can do 320 miles (515km) [1] Also 140-160 km/h aren't normal highway speed. They are in fact illegal in almost all countries. [1] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36302930/tesla-model-s-lo...

Who cares if they are legal if everyone drives at them. I was cruising in Turkey lately with 170 and was often overtaken with people at 200+. Speed limits are just glorified toll boots made to extract revenue from people with powerful cars.

In markets with significant EV adoption there's usually either section control on highways or a competent traffic police force.

Also manufacturers are moving away from providing 200km/h+ capable cars. Volvo is pioneering this citing safety concerns.

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An EV makes a great second car in Canada but the long distances and cold weather are problematic for current EV technology. Hopefully that improves relatively soon.

LoL. Don't worry. Global warming will deal with the low temperatures.

Toronto climate, average low, January: −6.7 °C (19.9 °F)

Temperature change needed for complete loss of Greenland ice sheet: between 1 and 4 °C. (That's a change by, not a change to).

Effect of complete loss of Greenland ice sheet: 7.2 meter sea level rise.

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> As a cyclist there isn’t really any good way to reliably avoid startling a pedestrian in a mixed environment. A loud freewheel is probably as close as it gets. I'd guess a loud freehub could work too, but I like my bikes old, so no freehubs. Maybe some sort of jetsons noise generator.

Where do you guys live? Here in Sweden we have a small bell on the steering you ring when you want to pass. https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&channel=iphone_b...

I have a Cricket bell, which can be rung normally, and can also be clicked down to act as a cowbell, gently ringing as i ride along (especially if i give the handlebar a quick wobble):

https://granite-design.com/products/cricket-bell

I use this when i ride along a shared-use path.

It makes no difference. Either people are walking in a group and talking, so they don't hear it, or they have earphones in, so they don't hear it.

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I thought EVs still had a 12v battery. Is that not charged via an alternator? I admit it seems more sensible to charge it direct from the battery pack, but then it seems more sensible to me to do away with the 12v battery all together. So if you're going to have a 12v battery it may aswell be completely independent of the main battery pack.

They do but it is typically smaller or even a LiFe battery which is nearly as light as lithium but has most of the high crank and 12v nominal application power needs, with larger charge windows and equal or higher discharge cycles.

The parent was talking about saving the weight of the alternator. That's what I was asking about rather than the battery.

Why would you need high crank for an ev???

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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I suspect it would be even faster if there was a charging option for the many people in cities with their cars in shared garages, even one as simple as just having a lot of 240V outlets. It feels like something that's rather overlooked at the moment.

The thing is its already bad enough that new apartments are mandated to build garages. It leads to fewer units being built overall due to that huge cost to the developer. Now you have to add on charging to each and every spot as well? Maybe this is the impetus that finally gets us off the ball and chain of car culture.

No, probably it just drives the cost of housing even higher.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

Unless they improve the recharge speed or dramatically improve thr power density, we're gonna have ICEs for a long time. Electric vehicles are not good in cold weather, they so far have not proven themselves to be capable of long haul towing (battery life drops off precipitously while towing), there is not enough charging ports or parking spots for hundreds of millions of cars to recharge, emergency vehicles cannot d…

> California recently asked electric car owners to not charge at certain times of the day.

California asked its residents to save electricity (so, among other things, not charge cars) between 4 and 9 pm - during the evening peak.

That's not when most people charge their EVs.

This has been sensationalized by some media outlets.

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