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Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by edmcnulty101 »

sahila wrote: post #346
edmcnulty101 wrote: post #341

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We're letting over a million immigrants in every year. As an American I'm finding it's harder and harder for me to get a job in the tech industry every year and I have a decade of experience and a master's degree. I recently got a job in the industry and I'm on a team of all Indian people, my boss is Indian, and his boss, all the way up to the CEO. Just so you know it's not you. It's a clown world we live in. Vote ac…

Or get better? You lucking out in which country you’re born in / citizenship shouldn’t be the only thing that allows you get a job. We all work in an industry where we praise meritocracy, so the best thing to do is to earn your role through merit, not privilege.

How about immigrants make their countries better?

There's no amount of meritocracy that can override billions of immigrants.

It's why immigrants are coming to America.

And how come Indian teams hire 99% Indians? They don't call that meritocracy with white people....

Also I didn't get lucky. My family has been here for many generations, and helped to build this country, got ancestors died building the railroad My grandfather got a purple heart in world war II.

My ancestors worked hard to contribute to create a country with a stable government and civilized society.

So it is really depressing to see collapsing in on itself. if anyone ever wonders, what Trumps appeal is That's why.

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by valand »

zebnyc wrote: post #231
valand wrote: post #226

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Been doing it for 2 years because I specifically am looking for company looking for founding staff which is hyper-selective. The worst thing is to be refused without knowing what's wrong so you're kept wondering why. Is it geographical reason? Is it national border reason? Legal reason? Culture fit? Personality fit? Another worst thing is to be denied without any tests. Nowadays, I'd pick difficult and time consuming…

Serious question: How do you vet for these? I would be interested in a founding engineer position as well but how do you know that the company itself has potential and not just hot air. Additionally, it seems I cannot get into an early stage startup cause I have never worked in an early stage startup.

I found it quite hard myself, but there are a couple of values that I use as heuristic:

- it is either looking to get sustainable as early as possible,

- or, if not, it is a research into the unknown (e.g. quantum computing, different purpose of db, new kind of AI, space exploration, green earth initiatives, even the early phases of blockchain)

Another points would be if the founders have the motivation to give back rather than take as much profit. My current company's founder have a dream to make an incubator for aspiring game makers, for example.

> I have never worked in an early stage startup.

The young company I have been in is when it was 1-year old. Founders are not looking for a mere "engineer", but one that can drive the team "above and beyond" style, because it is important for a small company. But, it is very difficult to see in people. The common mistake of many is to look for their own virtues in other people, which pretty much limits the other set of people not having the same virtue. E.g. Founders that focus on verbal communication and sales filter out people that cannot speak fluently, even though those are excellent product and engineering people.

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by As_You_Wish »

solatic wrote: post #230
monster_group wrote: post #133

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Companies give tiny raises to loyal employees. If hiring is so expensive why don't companies make effort to retain employees by giving them raises that make their compensation at least at par with that of the new hires.

Sibling commenter gave you a complicated answer. The one-word answer is: Greed. Never under-estimate the human capacity for emotion and character deficiency to get in the way of the rationally correct strategy.

Greed is overly simplistic.

I think my complicated answers are better. :)

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Post by philliphaydon »

lelanthran wrote: post #372
philliphaydon wrote: post #336

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> And yet, that did not cause the business to pay the current employees less, or downstaff, did it? > After all, if the financial implication did not involve cutting costs down just to survive, then it is not comparable to an individual, who literally has to spend less money and cut out existing costs just to survive. I’m not sure you understand. It still costs the company. It was the employees decision to leave beca…

> I’m not sure you understand. It still costs the company. I'm not contending that, I'm saying that for the employee it is a matter of survival. For the company, it's not. > Should the company say “oh no problem we will just pay you because we have some money in the bank right at this very moment in time”? Where in " the employer can easily weather (or not even notice) the ending of that employment, while the employe…

But the risk to the individual doesn’t matter. Yeah it’s difficult for different people. But ultimately it’s better for both parties to end it sooner rather than later.

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Post by redhale »

treyfitty wrote: post #94

I’ve been interviewing for 8 months. Getting to many final rounds, 1 lowballed offer, 1 rescinded offer, and it’s playing a mental toll. Today, I got a rejection that went along the lines of “everyone loved you and there was absolutely 0 negative feedback, but we just found a better fit.” I almost broke down, but hid behind a facade of positivity because the long weekend was starting and my kids can’t afford a bummed…

Sorry to hear about your negative experience -- interviewing is absolutely the worst.

Complete shot in the dark, but my consulting company is hiring and I'd be happy to hook you in with a recruiter. We hire all types (background matters little if you have the skills), including career industry folks. Drop me a line if you would like more info -- email in profile (email domain is personal, not the company I work for).

Regardless, I wish you the best of luck in your search!

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Post by SimDeBeau »

sizzle wrote: post #375
anonymoushn wrote: post #219

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There are some with minimal sides, if you can stand going to a doctor enough times to try out and reject several.

Any recommendation? Vynase, Dexedrine, etc?

I’ve loved straterra. One of the few non stimulant adhd meds

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by sage76 »

jeffrallen wrote: post #291

I found my last job by targeting a company I found fascinating and then finding a way to make myself useful to the CEO. It took 4 or 5 interactions with him over 6 months, and the last one was a formal "pair programming" session. I am not saying this would work for everyone, just noticing the interesting symmetry that when you find a job by networking instead of applying directly through the front door, the interview…

I think you are trying to make your process sound like a workaround, but it is impossible to scale and sounded painful to me anyways.

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Post by egorfine »

PretzelPirate wrote: post #60
PebblesHD wrote: post #44

These styles of multi-round interviews inspired by the FAANG collective started picking up in Australia before the pandemic, but it got to a point where most of my more talented colleagues and I all agreed it just wasn’t worth the time for the salaries being offered. 4 round interviews for a ‘senior’ developer position on $120k? When interviewing my own candidates, I use a 1 hour interview mostly focused on approach…

I don't like having one interview with one interviewer. That can easily result in that interviewer having a bad day or simply being biased and costing someone a job.

Depends.

For a small company the interviewer might well be the beneficiary of your work and in the end he needs you more than you need him. So a good one won't let his bad day ruin a nice candidate.

Also, depends on culture. There are countries where 1:1 interviews with a different gender candidate are okay.

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by lelanthran »

philliphaydon wrote: post #384
lelanthran wrote: post #372

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> I’m not sure you understand. It still costs the company. I'm not contending that, I'm saying that for the employee it is a matter of survival. For the company, it's not. > Should the company say “oh no problem we will just pay you because we have some money in the bank right at this very moment in time”? Where in " the employer can easily weather (or not even notice) the ending of that employment, while the employe…

But the risk to the individual doesn’t matter. Yeah it’s difficult for different people. But ultimately it’s better for both parties to end it sooner rather than later.

> But the risk to the individual doesn’t matter.

To the company, the risk to the individual doesn't matter. To the individual, the risk to the company is irrelevant.

IOW, when someone leaves their stable employment and starts with a new company, the company's risk (lose some money) is almost insignificant compared to the individual's risk (starve).

Hence I said that the risk isn't equally shared between the parties. In comparison to literally dying, the company's risk looks almost negligible.

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