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Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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I categorically reject ads. I want them completely abolished. I will do everything that's in my power to get them out of my machines. If I had just a little bit more courage I would go out at night with cans of spray paint and deface billboards.

"I will do everything that's in my power" Will you pay money for the content you consume?

Sadly, even paying for content will often keep ads around. NYTimes and WSJ come to mind.

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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> The experience is so awful when I browse on my iPad, instead of my Android phone with Firefox+UBlock. I really don't understand how most people can stand to browse with all the ads. Most people don’t. Most people who use anything for iOS tend to use things like: - 1Blocker - super full featured, including custom script and css rules. business model is paid software, not ‘acceptable ads’ paying them for placement or…

I just mentally ignore ads unless they're in my way, then I just hit the back button and read something else.

Well, you think you ignore them but they still influence you.

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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Not unless they pay for YouTube Premium (or share it with someone else paying for it). It's well worth it, IMHO.

I finally got fed up with ads on youtube and decided to put my money where my mouth is vis-a-vis supporting business models that I want to succeed (paying for content instead of with my eyeballs). I have a little-used gmail account that I registered a few years ago, as my original gmail became completely overrun with spam and I switched to Fastmail. I added a credit card to the account and tried to pay for Youtube Pr…

Chances are they saw the login as fraud given it went unused via years and the first thing that login did was sign up for YT Premium via a credit card.

A potential problem they're trying to prevent might be where money launderers use google accounts to funnel YT Premium money to specific channels via watch time (since Premium pays out a lot more, and pay per minute watched[0]).

0: https://youtu.be/Rh5hL47z2us?t=100

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

#384

> Google claims to be cracking down on apps that are using the VPN service to track user data or rerouting user traffic to earn money through ads. Okay. Those are essentially malware anyway. As long as uBlock Origin is not affected I see no problem with Google "cracking down" on anything.

> However, these policy changes also apply to apps that use the service to filter traffic locally on the device. Apps such as Blokada v5 and Duck Duck Go. Specifically the policy does not allow for “Manipulating ads that can impact apps monetization”.

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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95% of users have no idea what any of this is.

Developer wages would crash through the floor and all the way down to the centre of the Earth if ad blockers really took off without users also accepting micropayments or subscriptions for web services at the same time. Maybe we should be a little bit glad that the main thing keeping massive amounts of money in tech is accepted by users. The key thing that most people in tech don't appear to grok very easily is that…

> social media, ad-driven news websites, etc are all things that users place practically zero value on

> If you start asking users for actual money they suddenly decide that all these services represent no value and they'll live without them.

So what you're saying is if we use ad blocking technology to kill off the advertising business model, we can also kill off social media and its addictive algorithms, clickbaiting sites that generate and monetize outrage and numerous other cancers on society that the advertisers enable.

Ad blocking is now a moral imperative.

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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post #216

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95% of users have no idea what any of this is.

Developer wages would crash through the floor and all the way down to the centre of the Earth if ad blockers really took off without users also accepting micropayments or subscriptions for web services at the same time. Maybe we should be a little bit glad that the main thing keeping massive amounts of money in tech is accepted by users. The key thing that most people in tech don't appear to grok very easily is that…

"The key thing that most people in tech don't appear to grok very easily is that the overwhelming majority of web services like search engines, social media, ad-driven news websites, etc are all things that users place practically zero value on."

Then why did we build them? This seems like a massive waste of effort.

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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I'm in a similar boat, except for recipe sites. That's the one time I find myself bothered by ads.

If you like to browse recipes on your iPad/iPhone/Android device, the Paprika recipe manager app is really good for this. It adds a share sheet button that will pull the ingredients and instructions out of a page and let you read them easily (or save them to the app). It's wonderful. https://www.paprikaapp.com/

Also, the reader function within Safari works pretty well in my experience.

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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Or morphs itself into another Chrome in search of more revenue to support their new corporate lifestyle. I'm more worried about that. Since they made it a corporation with all the usual trimmings like an overpaid CEO they are becoming like all the other big tech. Flirting with big investors, looking at ROIs. All those paths lead the same way and it's away from the user.

This really can't be overstated. The CEO's compensation has skyrocketed for years while by every objective measure the Mozilla is struggling if not outright failing at its mission - with a continuously declining market share. It baffles me that Mozilla had/has multiple offices located in some of the most expensive real estate markets in the world. Not just in those markets, but in the very-most expensive parts of sai…

I don't think Mozilla has any office presence in downtown Boston? They used to rent a tiny co-working space there for Boston-based employees to use if they felt like it, but I think they got rid of it well before the pandemic.

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

#389

https://f-droid.org I've used Netguard off F-Droid before, it's really nice when you turn on the filter: https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard/blob/master/ADBLOCKING.md .

Honest question: Does anyone here successfully use android without f-droid?

From what I can tell, non-nonsense opensource utilities are simply undiscoverable on the app store.

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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post #384

> Google claims to be cracking down on apps that are using the VPN service to track user data or rerouting user traffic to earn money through ads. Okay. Those are essentially malware anyway. As long as uBlock Origin is not affected I see no problem with Google "cracking down" on anything.

> However, these policy changes also apply to apps that use the service to filter traffic locally on the device. Apps such as Blokada v5 and Duck Duck Go. Specifically the policy does not allow for “Manipulating ads that can impact apps monetization”.

I don't trust those apps. If uBlock Origin was affected, I think they would have mentioned it.
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