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Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Roles and channel permissions. I can't assign a role to someone and grant them granular permissions in slack like I can discord. I'm either a guest, user, admin or owner. Slack does app integrations and bots pretty well.

Example of granular permissions?

User X is admin of channel Y but guest of all the other channels or something like that I imagine.

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Micropayments keep failing over and over again. I think it's because the friction of microdecisions of whether or not to pay for that individual transaction is tedious. "Should I click on that link? What if it's not what I want Hmm, better not for now." Biggest recent push was Blendle, which pivoted: https://www.niemanlab.org/2019/06/micropayments-for-news-pio...

And yet most people I know don't get microdecision fatigue every time they decide whether to turn on a light or use an appliance due to the electricity transactions. I claim that--to the extent to which this was ever an issue--this is due to the notion of "micropayment" really being too large still: the industry has often used this term to describe transactions on the order $1-$10. Instead, this discussion is about h…

Look at tarsnap's pricing: https://www.tarsnap.com/

currently it says "250 picodollars / byte-month of encoded data"

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Micropayments! When will this happen? Community needs hosting costs say $1k/y for all their needs. 1000 members pay $1 a year. But that is a lot of friction! Probably a human problem. The activation energy from $0 to $0.01 online is huge compared to the monetary difference. Suddenly you need a credit card. Whereas people would happily pay $3 instead of $1 for a drink because of convenience (convenience stores are an…

Google, Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, etc don't want a micro payment standard. Everyone dreams of not being the "dumb pipe" and wants a fat cut through their proprietary solution.

I really wish there were room for a "your margin is my opportunity" player in spaces like this, but the existing cast already executes the "dumb pipe" role too well.

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Being embarrassed by it seems childish. Who are you trying to impress?

Especially since it’s almost literally Slack except purple. The design and feature set are the same.

And the giant "Nitro!" banners with blob melting faces and the rest. I don't know I uninstalled it after I made the mistake of installing it at work.

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Discord is so childish. It's embarassing to have open.

In what way is Discord childish?

Nitro banners, blobs, public servers with bowling balls etc. If you're just in a discussion it's fine but click the wrong place and it's like a teenage dream exploded.

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I agree with the idea, at the same time I'm sure there's some income vs expense graph that shows expenses raising faster than income and at some point surpassing it. I wonder when it will hit github. At the moment they offer free hosting for open source projects, including github actions. It seems pretty clear at some point they'll have to back off in some form or another. Maybe the "open source" part is enough of a…

Well I thought github was a "you are the product" sort of deal with Copilot?

How so?

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Discord is so childish. It's embarassing to have open.

Is it the friendly user-interface? The non-corporate artwork on curated pages? The community-vs-company-based branding? What about any of that is embarrassing or childish? That it's not specifically designed for corporate drudgery hell?

Yea, pretty much, well put.

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Micropayments keep failing over and over again. I think it's because the friction of microdecisions of whether or not to pay for that individual transaction is tedious. "Should I click on that link? What if it's not what I want Hmm, better not for now." Biggest recent push was Blendle, which pivoted: https://www.niemanlab.org/2019/06/micropayments-for-news-pio...

And yet most people I know don't get microdecision fatigue every time they decide whether to turn on a light or use an appliance due to the electricity transactions. I claim that--to the extent to which this was ever an issue--this is due to the notion of "micropayment" really being too large still: the industry has often used this term to describe transactions on the order $1-$10. Instead, this discussion is about h…

There isn't a price tag on my light switch. Also light is of course a must have, news articles or chatrooms aren't.

If I could use micropayments this way and be sure that the final price is

a) somewhat predicable

b) usually not ruinous

It would work better.

Cloud Services for companies like AWS are using this mode and it's working well for them.

But I have a feeling it's not easy/legal to do away with the immediate price tag for consumers. At the very least it would require the a constant price per "thing" and a hard spending limit.

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Micropayments! When will this happen? Community needs hosting costs say $1k/y for all their needs. 1000 members pay $1 a year. But that is a lot of friction! Probably a human problem. The activation energy from $0 to $0.01 online is huge compared to the monetary difference. Suddenly you need a credit card. Whereas people would happily pay $3 instead of $1 for a drink because of convenience (convenience stores are an…

I am a little frustrated that there are services I would pay $1 per month for, but the floor for monthly services is usually $10, occasionally $5.

It's very expensive to charge someone $1. It wouldn't make much sense to charge $1 / month for a service like that; you'd want to charge $12 / year.

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Makes me wonder how long before Discord rolls out their enterprise tier. There are tons of Gen Z and Millenials using Discord who are likely in positions where they can make those kinds of decisions for the company. And it's a great and intuitive product too.

Discord has the worst ux of any chat software I have ever used, fwiw. There's a fascinating race to the bottom in this area.

I'm surprised to not see more comments like this. I think chat clients are a product which is used so frequently that after adapting, users become blind to defficiencies. I consider myself pretty technically literate and have used probably a dozen chat clients over years. Discord is the only one where I couldn't understand how to do the basics straight after installing it. I don't use it much, and when I come back to it there's always an element of guesswork. (fwiw I'm not a fan of Slack's UX either)
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