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A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by detaro »

seszett wrote: post #106
encryptluks2 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the way Google likely ties your accounts all together a wrong decision on any Google account even if not the same account for your domains could end up having all your domains stolen by Google.

What I'd like to know if if they actually deactivate multiple linked accounts when any one of them gets flagged. I have three accounts, one more for personal things, one more professional, and a third one with my current country as a location for getting local apps in the Play Store. Google knows I am the same person, even though they are different accounts, so are the two other accounts safe when one of the three ge…

They certainly do sometimes. Play Store developer accounts seem to be particularly vulnerable, but I would not rely on it being restricted to that.

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Post by shawabawa3 »

mulmen wrote: post #287
dgfitz wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> America’s greatest battle is with our dark religious past. Apparently you’ve never been to Baltimore. There is no dark religious past haunting that city, just corrupt politicians.

Is it your claim that one medium sized city somehow has a bigger problem than the nation it exists within? Baltimore has 10,000,000 people. The United States is larger by a factor of thirty three .

I thought for a second I was crazy not knowing that Baltimore was the largest city in the US

Baltimore has a population of 600k not 10m, you're off by a factor of 13

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Post by ec109685 »

concordDance wrote: post #272
bborud wrote: post #257

This highlights the enormous risk depending on Google, and similar service providers, for email, messaging and other important services is. It isn't so much the policies, but the fact that Google will never do anything to help you when they get it wrong. You are always only one algorithmic fuck-up away from losing access and having to spend days and weeks dealing with the consequences. I think the only way to deal wi…

The best way to solve this is to DE-regulate. Make Google etc explicitly not responsible for proactively monitoring people's private data and then said data will remain private.

They aren’t obligated to actively scan for this material (see Apple).

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by sgent »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #328
happyopossum wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reference to $7k isn’t to prosecute a CP case, it was to sue google to reinstate his account so he could get his digital life back.

Which to be fair, the guy lives in San Francisco. It isn't that hard to file a small claims case. I understand that there may be some legal nuisances involved, but just getting the attention of the legal review team that will have to show up to defend the case is usually enough to get them to evaluate a matter beyond the algorithms. I don't think it is fair, but is much quicker and cheaper $7,000.

Maybe CA is different, but in most states small claims can't order equitable remedies (reinstating his account) and can only award money damages.

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Post by elif »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #350
elif wrote: post #276

From my travels, my impression has been that America in particular treats child nudity as completely, unexceptionally obscene, beyond even adult nudity. Compared to a beach in Europe, where nearly half of children under 2 run naked, there seems to be no grey area or minimum acceptability in the US. It makes me wonder if our hypersexualized treatment of child nudity /actively contributes/ to the sexualization of child…

I don't think it's quite as strict as you're making it out to be. I was in a park in Manhattan last week, which had a bunch of big sprinklers for kids to run through. No one was naked in the sprinkler, but some parents helped their children change in/out of their bathing suits out in the open. (Then again, I only remember this because I was a tad surprised by it.)

in japan, children play a game called Kancho, where they put their index fingers together and try to insert it into the anus of their unsuspecting friend.

in america, you could destroy someone's life over that. (possibly even multiple lives)

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Post by tomohawk »

desindol wrote: post #302
tomohawk wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps switch to signal or telegram? Some service that guarantees confidentiality.

Instead of questioning the use of whatsapp for medical purposes by a medical professional you tell them to use signal or telegram?

What would you recomend, then?

At least the two I recommend won't destroy your whole digital life if they don't like you.

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Post by x86x87 »

mikece wrote: post #4

I worked in a 1 Hour Photo when I was in college. The standing rule we had is that any photos of naked adults were not printed (the customer was given their negatives though). In the case of naked children if it was the typical "kid taking their first bath" it was fine but if there was any doubt we had a manager review it. I think we had to call the cops a couple times (more for passing the buck than making an offici…

The point is that there were 2-3 layers of humans applying their best judgement and there was a process in place.

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Post by swat535 »

deepdriver wrote: post #51
mike_hock wrote: post #20

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Welcome to fascism. A private company is the de-facto judge, jury and executioner because it owns half the infrastructure you live your life on.

"The word fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signals 'something not desirable.'" --George Orwell

This quote is taken out of context FYI. Here is the full version:

"The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies ‘something not desirable’. The words democracy, socialism, freedom, patriotic, realistic, justice, have each of them several different meanings which cannot be reconciled with one another. In the case of a word like democracy, not only is there no agreed definition, but the attempt to make one is resisted from all sides. It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it: consequently the defenders of every kind of régime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning. Words of this kind are often used in a consciously dishonest way. That is, the person who uses them has his own private definition, but allows his hearer to think he means something quite different"

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Post by rep_lodsb »

S_A_P wrote: post #252

Time to break up the google into smaller parts that may allow a competitive market again. Google FB Apple could all use a bit of competition

It's long past time to break up every last Google server into fine dust particles, to be buried in a deep mineshaft with "this is not a place of honor" style warnings placed above.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by neurostimulant »

rwalle wrote: post #379
neurostimulant wrote: post #205

My wife is a doctor and received a few of these kind of images in whatsapp from her patients from time to time. Should she be concerned?

Are you located in the US? If so, I would be really concerned, not in this context but about potential violation of HIPPA. All my communication with a doctor's office goes through the "private message" of the office/hospital's website because there are regulations around that. Think about it -- what if she lost her phone and for some reason the phone is unlocked or decrypted by other means? And even if you are not lo…

Not in the US, but her patients, friends or acquaintances sometimes send stuff like this out of the blue. Can't really be avoided since it's unsolicited.
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