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For those wondering Tornado here appears to refer to Tornado Cash [1]. [1]: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/8/8/us-announces-sanctio...
Ya, really need to change the title. Tornado is known to many as the python web server.
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People are using the system for these reasons. Vitalik himself has gone on record saying he has used Tornado Cash to donate large sums of money anonymously to Ukraine.
Conveniently no way to actually verify that
Imagine applying this logic to E2EE chat: we can’t know if anybody is using it for legitimate reasons, because we can’t see their messages.
Besides, you can check the chain yourself - if Vitalik is truthful, you should see at least that some tornado linked funds have been donated to Ukraine after the point he placed them in the protocol.
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GitHub didn't remove the account of everyone who ever contributed to the repository; if you go to the Web Archive many of the people listed under "contributors" still have accounts. Presumably, they just removed the people who were a member of the organisation.
Ok this makes alot more sense. I can totally see how they would nuke every member of the org in an attempt to CYA. It sounded like they nuked every contributor which would have been insane.
The commenters saying be reasonable, they were sanctioned, GitHub had to do this, should look into the last time code was made illegal or similar turmoil and what the developer community did in response…It was not accepting sanctions or govt failures to understand code as “well that’s that.” - Phil Zimmerman (PGP) was under criminal investigation for arms exports by releasing the code for consumer encryption. The cas…
OP - more context in the title next time please. Some of us have no idea which "tornado" this refers to and or were unaware of a crypto project called "Tornado".
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Honestly, I don’t care what happens to crypto bros. They put profit before environment. Fuck em.
PoW uses less energy than global dishwasher usage. Do you feel similar sentiments against Home Depot and dishwasher users? Facebook data centers aren’t pretty either in this regard. Edit - additionally, tornado runs on eth, which is soon to be env-friendly PoS.
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It is a tool for privacy, full stop. Criminals can use this for criminal activity, law abiding citizens can use this for law abiding activity. Also see end-to-end encrypted chat apps, VPNs, onion routing and other privacy tools that are widely used by criminals. also consider applications that might be illegal but often considered moral like paying for an abortion with tornado cash ETH in a state where abortion is il…
So "privacy of money movement" is not "money laundering". I see. Y'all always wanna talk about what people could use the system for and never what people actually are using it for. Well, if it's just about privacy, then I guess those people could use other forms of money laundering. Aherm, I mean "privately moving large sums of money around to avoid regulatory oversight".
Remember the Patriot act? Or that it went after Phil Zimmermann (creator of PGP)? I see some parallels here.
PGP can be used for law abiding private communication as well as non-law abiding private communication. Maybe we need to rethink the use of https?
A little of a stretch, but you can say that there are law abiding gun owners and non law abiding gun owners. What should we do about that?
I tend to raise an eyebrow, when the government uses the excuse kids/guns/terrorist/criminals to intrude into my privacy.
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Nice, what's next? Jailing everyone who ever had an abortion? Why aren't y'all americans doing that yet, if it's apparently acceptable to punish people for things they did before the supposed crime was made illegal?
> before the supposed crime was made illegal The laws against money laundering aren't new.
1. Developers write open source software
2. Open source software is deployed for money laundering purposes by other people
3. Developers who wrote software at point (1) are now being punished for something they did before the US deemed it to be illegal.
Let's say the speed limit is being decreased. Would it be fair to jail everyone who went over the speed limit in the past, before this decrease was even announced?
This is an overreach, and it is going to backfire. The target here is a software package, essentially speech so, one step down That hill. At least congress isn't deluded, corrupt, and senile enough to try this. Edit: further, it seems they're going to have to shut down Ethereum too, because Tornado Cash's contract is a person, and subgroup of Ethereum under the definition of entity which falls under the definition of…
>and it is going to backfire it isn't. the sheep have been bleating "corporations can do whatever they want" for 10 years now. the pigs will be fine.