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Re: Twitter says Musk’s spam analysis used tool that called his own account a bot

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Post by falcolas »

rgbrenner wrote: post #370
joenot443 wrote: post #245

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> Musk's popularity is largely BECAUSE of his Twitter antics I don't really buy this. I knew loads of Musk fanboys who were crazy about him before Teslas even become available. The 50+ folks that I'm friends with have mostly never used Twitter or read a Musk tweet, but they think Teslas are cool and are reminded that StarLink brought rural Ontario better internet than our own government tried to do for decades. Obvio…

note, musk created his twitter account in 2009... shortly after he became tesla's CEO. So unless you're talking about the original roadster, his twitter account existed before those people learned about tesla/musk. Musk has pretty much used Twitter has his primary media communication method. Going so far as to say Tesla has no marketing budget because he's such a star on twitter. He has practically zero reach elsewhe…

Musk was pretty well known prior to Tesla because he was one of the PayPal co-founders (technically a co-founder of X.com which merged with Confinity to form PayPal).

Re: Twitter says Musk’s spam analysis used tool that called his own account a bot

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Post by DoesntMatter22 »

yalogin wrote: post #353

Musk has done irreparable damage to his name and brand. The decline from genius and eccentric to straight up fraudster and borderline unstable is just amazing actually. I now don’t know what to think of him as he still has amazing businesses and they haven’t even peaked yet. I may still buy stock in them but won’t work for him ever.

People knew Elon was crazy for a long time and it hasn't hurt their demand. If a few people don't want to work for them it's not gonna hurt them much as they are the #1 or #2 company that engineers want to work for.

Re: Twitter says Musk’s spam analysis used tool that called his own account a bot

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Post by andsoitis »

falcolas wrote: post #381
rgbrenner wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

note, musk created his twitter account in 2009... shortly after he became tesla's CEO. So unless you're talking about the original roadster, his twitter account existed before those people learned about tesla/musk. Musk has pretty much used Twitter has his primary media communication method. Going so far as to say Tesla has no marketing budget because he's such a star on twitter. He has practically zero reach elsewhe…

Musk was pretty well known prior to Tesla because he was one of the PayPal co-founders (technically a co-founder of X.com which merged with Confinity to form PayPal).

> Musk was pretty well known prior to Tesla because he was one of the PayPal co-founders

Well known outside of tech? I don't think so.

Re: Twitter says Musk’s spam analysis used tool that called his own account a bot

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Post by DoesntMatter22 »

xiphias2 wrote: post #313
mabbo wrote: post #113

Just in case anyone isn't seeing through the bullshit of Elon Musk, let me lay this out for you: On April 14th: Twitter stock was worth about $45. Tesla stock was worth about $985. Elon's contract said he would sell $13B worth of Tesla stock (about 13.1m stocks) as part of the plan to buy Twitter for $44B, $54.20 per share. A good deal for the Twitter shareholders even at the time. (23% higher than the market said it…

Even though you are totally right, I can’t fault Elon for having a sour grape feeling and trying to renegotiate hard with all the tools he’s got. Millions of lawyer fees are nothing compared to the billions of losses he is going to have from the deal.

Realistically he may not take a loss in the end. If Elon does buy it and is able to get into payments and charge Businesses for their account, they could quite possibly quadruple or better their income.

Re: Twitter says Musk’s spam analysis used tool that called his own account a bot

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Post by DoesntMatter22 »

bambax wrote: post #143
ncallaway wrote: post #80

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I don’t think there’s any world where that happens. I think a judge would either order specific performance (e.g. do the thing the contract says, as specified in the contract), or we’re talking about damages (e.g. pay Twitter $X, but you don’t get anything in return). I think a purchase at a lower price would probably only come from a settlement between the parties, and… I think that’s likely. Twitter didn’t want to…

> I think Twitter is going to use the threat of specific performance to try and extract a damages settlement greater than the contractual $1B from Musk. Yeah that's what makes the most sense. Musk doesn't want to buy Twitter anymore, forcing him to buy it is not a very good solution. It's possible to do, and certainly enforceable, but not a desirable outcome for anyone. But, having him pay $10 or even $15 billions as…

There was a good article the other day, I'll see if I can find it, that breaks down why legally Musk can't really be asked for specific performance since he's an individual.

It comes down to anti slavery laws

so probably not enforceable, though he could be fined.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/twitter-elon-musk-thirteent...

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Post by jollybean »

cycomanic wrote: post #314
jollybean wrote: post #296

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It's not 'conservatives' as 1/2 of them loath that stuff - and 'agitation' is traditionally an artifact of leftist populism (with traditional conservatives usually being small-c, establishment, older etc.) - it's more a bit of a businessy libertarianism, with hints of anti establishmentism that's in many ways more popular among the youth. Also, it's a hugely populist and international appeal, spreading his 'Noisy Twe…

I appreciate your analysis, but would like to add that I feel that "traditional conservatives" seem to have largely disappeared or become voiceless not only in the US but also in other places like e.g. the UK. I imagine in decades prior traditional conservatives would have found people like Trump or Boris Johnson obscene and distasteful. However, I don't see many of that old guard speak out against them. It seems wit…

The 'old guard' is not populist and the least PR savvy. They are speaking out, just not making the rounds on the news.

Note that as long as Trump had 'populist power' then Fox etc. would kind of following along supporting that. The Romneys, Cheneys, Bushes just didn't have the outlets.

It's changed a bit as Murdoch has dumped Trump, but the current trend is definitely a bit populist as they are backing DeSantis, who is frankly probably more traditionally conservative, but playing the 'Noise Game'. Same thing in Canada with new conservative leadership.

Note, young people are really, really pissed. Housing is completely unnafordable, they are in debt, inflation is taking off, and most of COVID wasn't a huge risk to them for 21 year olds it really was kind of 'a bad flu' it's really 40+ where the risk starts. So they are naturally going to be more emotively pissed off about all of that pain 'they endured' on behalf of others.

In Canada, the likely new Conservative Candidate is taking a 'populist turn' and kind of supporting the 'anti mask wave' (I mean, it's not crazy up here, but still it's a movement) - but shockingly he's more popular among 18-35 year olds than the far left NDP which is traditionally where they are strong. Shockingly, the 'Establishment Liberals' are the #1 party among 45+ all the way past 75.

This is an artifact that more clearly highlights what is going on everywhere, it's just not as clear.

The 'geriotoocracy' in the West is a bit left on social issues, and pro 'big business' on others. The 'establishment' policies are hugely favouring stock owners, real estate owners, retirees, pensions etc. etc..

Paradoxically literally just today I'm reading 'Russian Telegram' and they are complaining about the opposite: Putin and a massive class of Neo-Soviet jerkoffs stealing decades of hope from young Russians.

Young people have more opportunities than ever before, and have had a cushy upbringing for sure - that said - their challenges are very real and they have a right to be angry

I see very desperate kinds of comments on Reddit these days, sad people who feel completely voiceless.

In that context, a bit of populism is understandable. Musk is playing into that. Trump a little bit. WallStreetBets etc..

For some reason, it's not 'Bernie' this time around, it's a bit more 'Musky'.

So I think that is a big part of the appeal, and specifically with Musk it's probably not fairly traditional values.

Musk is also becoming a serious magnate, I mean, he was literally the richest guy in the world, and so the reality of people wanting to have 'higher taxes on the rich' surely grates on him, how long can he truly, culturally identify with the 'rebellious youth changing the world?'. He now has to 'get the goddam factories moving, this COVID stuff is overplayed!' and 'these greedy politicians want all my damn money, can't they see I'm changing the world?'. It's a bit of 'There Will Be Blood' going on. And he's pumping it all up on Twitter.

I think we don't need to worry about Musk though, he just has a bit of an opinion, a bit of a big mouth, oh well.

Re: Twitter says Musk’s spam analysis used tool that called his own account a bot

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Post by u10 »

mrits wrote: post #371
pavlov wrote: post #274

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Yes. And he promised those shareholders $54.20 per share, signed the contract, and now the same shareholders are suing to get the money. They don’t care what happens to Twitter if Musk takes over since they’ll have cash instead of shares at that point and can reinvest in something more promising.

He didn't promise shareholders anything. He signed a contract, which is almost the opposite of a promise.

It's by definition a promise

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Post by jollybean »

mjmsmith wrote: post #380
onos wrote: post #327

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I wonder if the lack of voices you notice is at all related to the well-publicized data indicating conservatives do not feel they can express their opinions publicly without risk of punishment.

It's a demonstrated fact that traditional conservatives are punished for expressing the opinion that Donald Trump is obscene and distasteful.

I think you and onos are not quite making the same point.

Conservative voices are a bit suppressed in some places, like on Campus. Some don't like to accept that, but it's true. But it's a kind of Social Justice institutionalism that would be the issue there.

Otherwise, 'classical conservatives' who voice their opinion against Trump, are also ostracized by that far right gang, which is very true. So that's a different kind of 'fear to speak up'. Liz Cheney is getting punted out of Office for that right now.

But that has always existed - the centre/far elements of 'each side' definitely have wars. You can see it play out at the NYT editorial staff among the Social Justice left (younger) and the Traditional Liberal left (middle aged).

I don't feel that Musk can be reasonably located anywhere in there.

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Post by ncallaway »

DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #385
bambax wrote: post #143

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> I think Twitter is going to use the threat of specific performance to try and extract a damages settlement greater than the contractual $1B from Musk. Yeah that's what makes the most sense. Musk doesn't want to buy Twitter anymore, forcing him to buy it is not a very good solution. It's possible to do, and certainly enforceable, but not a desirable outcome for anyone. But, having him pay $10 or even $15 billions as…

There was a good article the other day, I'll see if I can find it, that breaks down why legally Musk can't really be asked for specific performance since he's an individual. It comes down to anti slavery laws so probably not enforceable, though he could be fined. https://www.barrons.com/articles/twitter-elon-musk-thirteent...

Musk isn’t buying Twitter as an individual. He’s buying it as a thin shell company in a reverse merger agreement.

Re: Twitter says Musk’s spam analysis used tool that called his own account a bot

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Post by jollybean »

pooper wrote: post #367
jollybean wrote: post #291

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The fanboyism is quite considerably amplified by his public statements. Without them, we may not get much press at all from him, he may be a bit of an unknown quantity. His Social Media / PR is a gigantic part of his value. It distorts reality to a much, much larger audience. Do you remember 'Maroon 5' the band? They had 'Really Big Hits' back in the day . Banger / Chart toppers. But it wasn't until the lead singer w…

I wouldn't call myself a fanboy but I believed he genuinely wanted to advance the electric car, no matter who ends up coming on top. This was the version of reality I saw in 2009 ish. The goal was not to make money. I thought he actually wanted to show the big carmakers that you can actually sell an electric car. Back then I didn't know about how good public transit is better than even the cleanest electric car becau…

He still does the car for the same reasons, and it's still 'a good thing for green' he's just a bit older, a bit fatter, a bit richer (and targeted by 'socialists' a bit more often), he's a bit more irritated, and frankly, anyone who starts to let loose on Twitter is going to make waves.

About 80% of the people that I respect, I have lost respect for because of Twitter.

They just can't help themselves with the populism.

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