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Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by colinmhayes »

crakhamster01 wrote: post #336

Pretty cool tech, but from the Dave2D video, the crease + bulkiness is still bad enough to be a dealbreaker for me (and I imagine many others as well). I find it interesting that companies like Asus, Samsung, etc. frequently put out these devices that feature emerging tech, but clearly aren't ready for primetime. You would never catch Apple releasing something like this since they have brand value to protect, but Asu…

Apple released that butterfly keyboard. The MacBook line was absolutely suffering for years until the redesign that came with m1

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by laumars »

BoorishBears wrote: post #380
laumars wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not getting emotional. I’m simply tell you that you’re wrong. If you feel there is an emotional component to this discussion then that is something you are injecting yourself.

> Plenty of companies have successful products with hardware that you consider beneath you. That's a crazy emotional statement and a completely wrong interpretation of what was written! I'm saying these are features that are so cutting edge they can't even be packaged in mainstream hardware ... and you transformed that into me calling them "beneath me" because you're rationally interpreting what I write? Or emotional…

I’m not being emotional. That phrase was chosen because, as I’ve posted already, my opinion of your comments is that the differentiator here is nott technology but rather your preferences in technology. You then go on to argue your preferences as being better than other peoples (by proxy due to dismissing other peoples preferences as “not ready”). Hence why I considered your opinion to be one of elitism rather than a pragmatic evaluation.

But since you’ve degraded this conversation into a pointless meta-debate about whether I’m getting emotional or not (I’m clearly not but would it really matter if I were?), shall we just agree to disagree and get on with our lives? It’s pretty obvious no constructive discussion is going to come from our discourse.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by saratogacx »

TekMol wrote: post #238
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #89

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Just get a Thinkpad. They have all the features you want. They're not going to be as thing and light, but their keyboards are better than anything out there. The touchpad is iffy, but if you're using Linux (I use it too), your touchpad experience is going to be subpar anyway.

This is a misunderstaning. A Thinkpad does not let me take off the keyboard. That's why I want a tablet and a keyboard. So I can put the tablet on a stand and the keyboard in front of it.

I have an X1 Yoga which is capable of all of these things. It is a laptop with a good keyboard setup that can hold up it's own screen w/out a kickstand. When I don't want the keyboard I just fold it up and the keyboard changes to lift and lock so the back of it is solid making it easier to put on a stand (or A frame it and use a couple of books in a pinch. They sell one with linux preinstalled too.

I got mine in 2016 and it's been rock solid.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by BoorishBears »

laumars wrote: post #382
BoorishBears wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Plenty of companies have successful products with hardware that you consider beneath you. That's a crazy emotional statement and a completely wrong interpretation of what was written! I'm saying these are features that are so cutting edge they can't even be packaged in mainstream hardware ... and you transformed that into me calling them "beneath me" because you're rationally interpreting what I write? Or emotional…

I’m not being emotional. That phrase was chosen because, as I’ve posted already, my opinion of your comments is that the differentiator here is nott technology but rather your preferences in technology. You then go on to argue your preferences as being better than other peoples (by proxy due to dismissing other peoples preferences as “not ready”). Hence why I considered your opinion to be one of elitism rather than a…

> You then go on to argue your preferences as being better than other peoples

Show one example of this. A single place where I say or remotely imply anything about either strategy is better than anything.

In fact, show one place where I show a preference. You're literally imagining my preferences. After all, I've owned some of these devices... I've owned the first 4k phone (an Xperia), I've owned interesting low volume hardware like lightfield tablets and cameras.

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I am saying that brand new tech that literally cannot be scaled, like can't even be manufactured in mainstream numbers, is released by some manufacturers, but not by others.

Like it's not even an opinion, it's a statement of fact which is why it's mind-blowing that it's gone this far in back and forth, and again, makes me look for meta reasons why this is even an argument...

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> I’m clearly not but would it really matter if I were?

I guess I was being charitable in assuming the reason why you:

- missed so many plainly stated points

- keep using really combative retorts like "you think your preferences are better than others'"

- keep putting words I never said or implied in my mouth

Was emotion... but it might just be malice? So yes, I enthusiastically agree to disagree.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by sdflhasjd »

jjoonathan wrote: post #297
aqwsde wrote: post #251

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Ever heard of Louis Rossmann?

He works exclusively on dead Apple products all day, every day. How does this not result in base rate neglect?

He does have stories about customers who get scammed by Apple's repair service.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by xeromal »

sovnade wrote: post #342
iasay wrote: post #32

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The reason that there is no non-Apple alternatives to the MacBook Pro is because everyone is too focused on blue sky innovation rather than actually doing the best job of stuff that already exists. Quality is the feature that apple sell. I don't think anyone else gets near them.

There's plenty of good laptops out there not made by apple. Dell XPS 13 is excellent, asus has several zenbook models that are on par, etc. They don't get much media coverage because the standards we expect from laptops are so high now that we take it for granted (0.75" thick or less, all day battery, insanely high pixel density (enough to require scaling), fast enough cpu/memory for any day to day task, great screen…

Shout out to the XPS line. I have one as my development machine and it's wonderful.

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Post by sleepymoose »

Algent wrote: post #228
geraldwhen wrote: post #176

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God help your soul if you need to deal with an ASUS hardware RMA. They are easily the worst PC hardware manufacturer of all, and they sell clearly damaged and broken parts as "refurb." They are terrible.

Also had terrible experience with that last year, brand new X570 constantly crashing after a year, found a capacitor leaking they kept the card for two week and sent it back without any change and with the shipping sticker directly on the box. Had to throw the card away (out of spite, I had my own machine constantly crash for months before finding the cause) and buy a new one and X570 is not cheap at all. I'll do eve…

I hear more RMA horror stories about ASUS motherboards than any of their other products. That could just be due to a higher amount of MB failures though.

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Post by elxr »

citizenpaul wrote: post #293
geraldwhen wrote: post #176

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God help your soul if you need to deal with an ASUS hardware RMA. They are easily the worst PC hardware manufacturer of all, and they sell clearly damaged and broken parts as "refurb." They are terrible.

IDK if ASUS has been doing it longer than others. However I find that this is common practice now days for most companies. I exchanged some sony headphones the other week and the ones I got back literally had dirt smeared in them, like some construction worker or mechanic had them and returned them. I had some issues with a corsair power supply a couple years ago I had to do 5 returns before they finally sent me one…

> I had to do 5 returns before they finally sent me one in a box that was not already opened.

Before this year, I've never had a defective electronic device (laptop, phone, monitor, camera, etc.) or encountered any issue that made me return a device. But a few months back, I had a similarly terrible experience with returns.

I bought a new lenovo yoga, it came with a defective spacebar. Got a replacement, it came with another defective spacebar! And this was a new laptop, still sealed. Decided to just replace the keyboard & upper case under warranty (which was the recommended procedure), and now the spacebar issue is finally fixed. But now I notice the new upper case had a raised crease above the "Esc" key. This time, I'm not bothering with another return or replacement, at least the crease isn't affecting any functionality.

I've never experienced QC this poor before on a brand new, >$1000 electronic device. The whole thing turned me off from lenovo laptops.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by nemothekid »

suction wrote: post #61
jfoster wrote: post #20

Looks fancy. Is this what the market wants? I don't particularly like Apple, but I use a Macbook Pro. I've been keeping an eye out for a non-Apple alternative to a Macbook, but nothing seems to come close in terms of hardware. I don't mean technical specs. I mean a beautiful screen, reasonable dimensions & weight, a really good touchpad, great battery life, etc. A big foldable screen looks cool, but doesn't feel at a…

In East Asia, novelty or "cuteness" of a product, i.e. the look of things, is mostly what counts. That's how East Asian makers try to stay ahead of the competition, because actual innovation that goes beyond the surface (no pun intended) is hard and not actually encouraged in societies with a confucian view of the workplace.

>In East Asia, novelty or "cuteness" of a product, i.e. the look of things, is mostly what counts.

I find it hard to believe that this is an exclusively an east asian thing. Apple spent a decade chasing thinness over all else.

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