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Re: Part of my code makes Copilot crash

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That seems a pretty simple one to manage—a disclaimer stating "Copilot will not generate code referencing certain topics" seems both sufficient and uncontroversial.

like thus line from the FAQ? >GitHub Copilot includes filters to block offensive language in the prompts and to avoid synthesizing suggestions in sensitive contexts. I think calling gender a sensitive context is not unreasonable.

Yes, but medical stuff is a sensitive context too. And financial, as well. Plus ethnicity. And age. As well as anything could be indicative of the aforementioned topics, such as vehicle makes & models, ecommerce products, tea vs coffee preference, accounting, and so on.

Oh, wouldn't you know it... Turns out that almost all code doing something important might be able to be interpreted as sensitive.

Re: Part of my code makes Copilot crash

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I might even share your idea about adults _should_ behave. But that doesn't invalidate fny's musings based on how _adults_ do behave.

I would love to see a origin/latin etc breakdown of the word behave. One of my least favorite words (authority issues much? Yes).

https://www.etymonline.com/word/behave#etymonline_v_8255

Re: Part of my code makes Copilot crash

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> If someone looks like a girl, acts like a girl, has had genital recontruction surgery, has a fashion sense, wears makeup, and generally is just another regular person on the street, then for any social interaction they are just like any girl. Sure. I'm not advocating for genital fundamentalism. All I'm asking for is to be able to call someone who looks like a girl and acts like a girl a girl, and vice versa.

> All I'm asking for is to be able to call someone who looks like a girl and acts like a girl a girl, and vice versa. And if they're deeply uncomfortable with this, and would prefer you remember to use "they", you're not harmed and should defer. You may have to take a little extra effort to tell someone "They present as female but prefer 'they'" at some point. It's a little bit of cognitive load, but the kind of cour…

> And if they're deeply uncomfortable with this, and would prefer you remember to use "they", you're not harmed and should defer.

And what if I'm just as deeply uncomfortable with saying what they want me to say? Are we now a dictatorship of the most fragile?

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> I know of people who get deeply offended when "decimated" is used to not strictly mean exactly a 10% reduction, despite language not meaning quite that forever. You can't expect to force someone else to use the words you want. But it would be deeply wrong to force someone who felt that way to say "decimate" when they meant something different. > Insisting on labelling someone based on your historical idea of langua…

> (though I'd appreciate it if words weren't changed under me by fiat and I wasn't gaslit about what I'd been taught they meant) Sorry, words change under us. If you grew up hearing that retarded meant a very specific clinical thing, and then a bunch of people use it as an insult... you shouldn't be surprised, for instance, that those people and their families don't want to be referred by that term anymore or hear it…

> "Likes to be called she, but hasn't transitioned".

Then can I just say "man who likes to be called she" (or "moid who likes to be called she", if it's the specific word that's the issue), if that's the best balance between concise and informative for the person in question?

> Look, if your best hint at how good someone is at basketball is that they were an Asian male at birth, it's not a very good hint to draw inferences from. If you need to know that thing, measure it directly, or at least pick a better proxy. If not, leave yourself open to a bit more surprise.

Most of life is making decisions based on limited information. You'll have dinner with, at best, maybe a hundred thousand people out of seven billion. Even to have a casual conversation with someone is to pick them out of the crowd. Even if you were to profile strictly by age, sex, dress, race, ... (which is not remotely what I'm advocating), you'd still get plenty of surprises.

Re: Part of my code makes Copilot crash

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> The backlash is already mounting. Is it? To me it feels like it's getting worse and worse, but that might be my bubble.

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Apart from all the things at the top that have no sources and that honestly sound like propaganda:

> Back before all of this, LGBQT people were happy to just be seen as normal and like everyone else

Since when, sorry? When were we *ever* seen as normal people. Slurs flying around. People getting beat up. Suicide rates for trans youth are through the roof. Constant hate and bullying offline and online, and all of this is just for the countries that have it good. In some places, being yourself is a literal death sentence.

Just the fact that you say that LGBTQ+ people were "happy" to be seen as "normal" shows how out of touch you are with the things queer people experience on a daily basis. And not only that.. what the hell does "normal" mean. What, you expect us to conform just enough that the straights don't see us as an eyesore?

I shouldn't be angry about a random comment on the internet, but I am. And you know why? Because right now, at this point in time, there's many people in my country and others that say the exact same bullshit that you're saying, and they weaponize it to:

- deny my right to marry my partner - deny my right to adopt kids - deny my friends' right to start HRT, so that she can stop feeling gender dysphoria every single day - stop laws that would protect me from being publicly berated in public for my sexuality - push homophobic and transphobic rethoric on their children, so that LGBTQ+ teens go through hell

I'd wager that "marriage", "family", "not feeling like shit", "being respected" are pretty basic rights... aren't they?

Re: Part of my code makes Copilot crash

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Apart from all the things at the top that have no sources and that honestly sound like propaganda: > Back before all of this, LGBQT people were happy to just be seen as normal and like everyone else Since when, sorry? When were we *ever* seen as normal people. Slurs flying around. People getting beat up. Suicide rates for trans youth are through the roof. Constant hate and bullying offline and online, and all of this…

> Since when, sorry? When were we ever seen as normal people.

I said LGBQT people were happy to be seen as normal people (as their goal/ultimate achievement), and nothing more than that. Which is somewhat different than to what's happening now where it seems like special status and attention is demanded.

> with the things queer people experience on a daily basis.

I'm not denying these things happen.

> - deny my right to marry my partner - deny my right to adopt kids - deny my friends' right to start HRT, so that she can stop feeling gender dysphoria every single day - stop laws that would protect me from being publicly berated in public for my sexuality - push homophobic and transphobic rethoric on their children, so that LGBTQ+ teens go through hell

Well, shit, gays have had these worries for a long time, but on a bigger timeframe everything is shifting more and more towards acceptance and integration. Just look at how much the LGBQT movement has achieved the last few years. Absolutely unthinkable 20 years ago. Getting HRT is as easy as never before, marriage equality has been fully achieved with the Supreme Court decision in Obergefell v. Hodges in 2015.

Sure, you have concerns because of the recent abortion issues, I understand and as would I if I lived in the US, but these are initially concerns, and nothing else.

> I'd wager that "marriage", "family", "not feeling like shit", "being respected" are pretty basic rights... aren't they?

They are, and aside of feeling like shit, which unfortunately is largely based on your own psychological issues and markup, everything of this is readily available and achievable.

You know what I'm pissed about? Pushing it further and further and hurting your own cause. I can only reiterate again, I am not transphobic or anything else, I am myself bisexual, and I have no tolerance for actual hate rhetoric and propaganda in these directions. But raising valid concerns isn't any of that. I have literally been attacked for stating that I am bisexual and don't have neopronouns. The (radicalized) LGBQT movement is discriminating against races and their own peers, spreading hate, and using violent methodology to force their own political beliefs. And when you start calling people that simply raise concerns transphobic..

Re: Part of my code makes Copilot crash

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It's rare for someone taking puberty blockers to be undecided still when puberty would be over. How old is too old? What would be not proper? Where did you get this information?

Would starting hormonal replacement therapy (by way of puberty blockers) on its own already influence one's decision on what their preferred sex should be? That is, assuming our consciousness is influenced by chemistry in our bodies.

Puberty blockers don't change gender identity in early onset puberty. Even removing sex organs doesn't change gender identity. David Reimer was castrated very young and raised as a girl. It didn't work. Similar treatments have been forced on intersex children.

Some people say so many gender dysphoria patients taking puberty blockers choosing to transition proves puberty blockers make them want to transition. Maybe it proves diagnostic criteria, professional advice, social factors, or other things keep people who wouldn't transition off puberty blockers.

Re: Part of my code makes Copilot crash

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Would starting hormonal replacement therapy (by way of puberty blockers) on its own already influence one's decision on what their preferred sex should be? That is, assuming our consciousness is influenced by chemistry in our bodies.

Puberty blockers don't change gender identity in early onset puberty. Even removing sex organs doesn't change gender identity. David Reimer was castrated very young and raised as a girl. It didn't work. Similar treatments have been forced on intersex children. Some people say so many gender dysphoria patients taking puberty blockers choosing to transition proves puberty blockers make them want to transition. Maybe it…

> Some people say so many gender dysphoria patients taking puberty blockers choosing to transition proves puberty blockers make them want to transition

These people do not address that:

- People with gender dysphoria are disproportionately likely (though somewhat less than those who do take puberty blockers) to choose to transition without having taken puberty blockers, too, and

- People with gender dysphoria who take puberty blockers have a reduced incidence of suicidality.

The best explanation is that:

(1) Gender dysphoria, not puberty blockers, predicts future likelihood of choosing transition, and

(2) Within the group with dysphoria, future likelihood of choosing transition is also correlated with risk of suicidality without puberty blockers, such that withholding puberty blockers reduces the future transition rate by disproportionately killing those most likely to transition later.

Re: Part of my code makes Copilot crash

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like thus line from the FAQ? >GitHub Copilot includes filters to block offensive language in the prompts and to avoid synthesizing suggestions in sensitive contexts. I think calling gender a sensitive context is not unreasonable.

Yes, but medical stuff is a sensitive context too. And financial, as well. Plus ethnicity. And age. As well as anything could be indicative of the aforementioned topics, such as vehicle makes & models, ecommerce products, tea vs coffee preference, accounting, and so on. Oh, wouldn't you know it... Turns out that almost all code doing something important might be able to be interpreted as sensitive.

Oh god, the thought of Copilot contributed code ending up in medical applications is terrifying…

Re: Part of my code makes Copilot crash

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> All I'm asking for is to be able to call someone who looks like a girl and acts like a girl a girl, and vice versa. And if they're deeply uncomfortable with this, and would prefer you remember to use "they", you're not harmed and should defer. You may have to take a little extra effort to tell someone "They present as female but prefer 'they'" at some point. It's a little bit of cognitive load, but the kind of cour…

> And if they're deeply uncomfortable with this, and would prefer you remember to use "they", you're not harmed and should defer. And what if I'm just as deeply uncomfortable with saying what they want me to say? Are we now a dictatorship of the most fragile?

Sorry, if someone doesn't like being called "she", and you really want to call that person "she" -- that's on you. You have other choices, after all.
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