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Re: Half of Americans anticipate a U.S. civil war soon

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I assume you're talking about abortion. How did their ruling infringe on the separation between church and state?

Overturning Roe was one of many decisions that they have made recently, you can easily google this information: "The Supreme Court Benches the Separation of Church and State | News & Commentary | American Civil Liberties Union" https://www.aclu.org/news/religious-liberty/the-supreme-cour...

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Re: Half of Americans anticipate a U.S. civil war soon

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The biggest issue, IMHO, is the fact the senate holds all this power, yet Vermont and Texas have the same level of representation in it. The House, for all it's flaws in being capped so low, at least has the advantage of being more representative of the population, having a clearer majority, and being large enough to support factions within the parties.

If that isn't wanted, why even bother with having separate states in first place? Just place everything directly under federal government. You could even get rid of all other levels.

Good question. It’s not clear why the US being a federation is important or valuable — it seems to be true for purely legacy reasons: that the states were already pseudo-independent colonies prior to 1776.

Re: Half of Americans anticipate a U.S. civil war soon

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Source is apparently a preprint (that is, not peer-reviewed) uploaded here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.07.15.22277693v... > Participants: Cross-sectional nationwide survey conducted May 13 to June 2, 2022; participants were adult members of the Ipsos KnowledgePanel. 8,620 respondents, but I don't see how they were recruited or how potential bias was accounted for. Given how weird some of the interne…

In my opinion, the extreme right-wing is building themselves up to begin politicide. For the past year, we've seen daily news stories as Republican extremists don’t just say that Democrats are wrong, but that they are evil. This is a classic authoritarian method of vilifying your opponent both as corrupt and subhuman. Having just read about the Spanish Civil War, I can see how this will potentially play out. It will…

> Republican extremists don’t just say that Democrats are wrong, but that they are evil.

It's not something unique to only one side.

If you go to reddit.com/r/all you'll find lots of user accounts saying the same about Republicans; not that they're wrong, but that they're evil.

(I don't identify as either side, but I've had to block nearly 100 subreddits from showing up in r/all because of the constant hate, and even then there will be random subreddits that make to the front page of r/all because it's about hating another group. I want to see interesting things, not witness an echochamber.)

Re: Half of Americans anticipate a U.S. civil war soon

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Source is apparently a preprint (that is, not peer-reviewed) uploaded here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.07.15.22277693v... > Participants: Cross-sectional nationwide survey conducted May 13 to June 2, 2022; participants were adult members of the Ipsos KnowledgePanel. 8,620 respondents, but I don't see how they were recruited or how potential bias was accounted for. Given how weird some of the interne…

In my opinion, the extreme right-wing is building themselves up to begin politicide. For the past year, we've seen daily news stories as Republican extremists don’t just say that Democrats are wrong, but that they are evil. This is a classic authoritarian method of vilifying your opponent both as corrupt and subhuman. Having just read about the Spanish Civil War, I can see how this will potentially play out. It will…

> the extreme right-wing is building themselves up to begin politicide.

One can only hope; though it might have terrible consequences, like the republican's mask slipping more than it already has, leading to more violence.

> the conservatives who gain control in 2022 will grind the federal government to a halt with hearings and procedural moves

that's why I'm hoping the Jan 6th folks actually get Trump in prison, to get us back to some believable "hey your actions actually DO have consequences" normality. Listen, I can dream, right?

Re: Half of Americans anticipate a U.S. civil war soon

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In order to estimate how close a country is to a civil war, the people they should poll is those involved in the military. An attempt to take power through violence without military backing will look something like the 6 January 2021, which is to say a bunch of crazy people dressed up as Indians and cowboys who thought that storming a building means controlling a country.

> which is to say a bunch of crazy people dressed up as Indians and cowboys who thought that storming a building means controlling a country. I don't know why people are still pushing this narrative when the hearings have made it perfectly clear at this point that there was orchestration and support among the government, Capitol police and likely even the Secret Service. The "crazy people dressed up as Indians and co…

>I don't know why people are still pushing this narrative when the hearings have made it perfectly clear at this point that there was orchestration and support among the government, Capitol police and likely even the Secret Service.

Nobody takes the hearings seriously since they're political theatre. But if what you say is true, I definitely look forward to those people in government and the secret service to be charged with treason or sedition. It's been 18 months, so when should we expect that to happen?

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Hasn't 60% of the population of Texas expected a civil war soon for the last 100 years? And what are those rebel flags all about? It's posturing. Just like all of those surveys that say 50% of tech workers anticipate quitting this year. Nearly all the places that talk about secession are the same states that generate less federal tax revenue than they spend. Which is both why it would be a terrible idea, and why peop…

the whole secession thing blows me away. I live in Texas and had a couple friends who were on that bandwagon. I asked them had they thought about going toe to toe with the US Marines while bombers are over Austin and drones over everywhere else. All i got back was silence. The union will be preserved at any cost, there's precedent for that. No state will secede without defeating the US military first.

The entire weight of the US military couldn't defeat goatherders in caves with rusty AK-47's and they had 20 years to do it. I don't think you understand how insurgencies work.

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I haven't heard much talk of Californians dreaming of becoming independent, but maybe I'm traveling in the wrong circles. What I have heard is people talking smack about kicking California out, and taking 10% of the US GDP with it. Which would be dumb for the rest of us.

california has the 6th largest gdp in the world... ahead of every country save 5(that's including the US). California is a juggernaut and just saying that it would be taking 10% of the US GDP is underselling it.

They wouldn't survive very long without water. You can't drink GDP.

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In my opinion, the extreme right-wing is building themselves up to begin politicide. For the past year, we've seen daily news stories as Republican extremists don’t just say that Democrats are wrong, but that they are evil. This is a classic authoritarian method of vilifying your opponent both as corrupt and subhuman. Having just read about the Spanish Civil War, I can see how this will potentially play out. It will…

> Republican extremists don’t just say that Democrats are wrong, but that they are evil. It's not something unique to only one side. If you go to reddit.com/r/all you'll find lots of user accounts saying the same about Republicans; not that they're wrong, but that they're evil. (I don't identify as either side, but I've had to block nearly 100 subreddits from showing up in r/all because of the constant hate, and even…

First, I am talking about actual Republicans - party members either in office or currently running. Reddit is filled with bots and people venting and has no bearing on reality. If you can point out any Democrat who has publicly threatened Republicans by name - either directly or through innuendo - such as the examples below, I will accept your argument. Otherwise you're just repeating "both-sides" nonsense.

https://nypost.com/2022/07/06/house-candidate-jerone-davison...

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/marjorie-taylor-gree...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/16/us/politics/gosar-violent...

Re: Half of Americans anticipate a U.S. civil war soon

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In my opinion, the extreme right-wing is building themselves up to begin politicide. For the past year, we've seen daily news stories as Republican extremists don’t just say that Democrats are wrong, but that they are evil. This is a classic authoritarian method of vilifying your opponent both as corrupt and subhuman. Having just read about the Spanish Civil War, I can see how this will potentially play out. It will…

> the extreme right-wing is building themselves up to begin politicide. One can only hope; though it might have terrible consequences, like the republican's mask slipping more than it already has, leading to more violence. > the conservatives who gain control in 2022 will grind the federal government to a halt with hearings and procedural moves that's why I'm hoping the Jan 6th folks actually get Trump in prison, to…

Not sure from your comment if you understood that policide is like homicide or infanticide, not suicide. It's a wonk term about destroying a political party or system.

Politicide is like genocide, except you target only members of a specific party, like how the Trotskyists were killed by Stalin, or what Pinochet did to Allende's party in Chile. I haven't read this anywhere, but I assume that one usually follows the other.

I may have actually mixed them up in my original comment now that I look at it. Serves me right for spending too much time on Wikipedia.

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