FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores • Hacker News Board

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by nindalf » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 11:52 AM UTC

diogenes_of_ak wrote: post #366

blacklion wrote: post #277

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> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player Are you sure? Several months ago I've woke up to learn, that my country start to kill civilians of other country with bombs, missiles and shelling, to become "top player". And, what is even worse, many of my fellow citizens support it. Now I'm trying to leave this country for some other, which don't have ambitions to be top-player but don't kill civilians and…

Всё будет хорошо скоро - мир меняется быстро, и есть возможность работать в любом месте ты хочешь. Счастливо тебе, и если тебе надо помочь, послай мне dm, не знаю что могу делать, но могу стараться помогать. Прости за мой плохой русский, меня научали мальчики когда я жил в Украине на обмене в средней школе.

Interestingly, HN guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) say nothing about a comment needing to be in English.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by least » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 11:53 AM UTC

RektBoy wrote: post #203

moomoo11 wrote: post #160

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Its exactly in line with what I said. End of the day, we're all on teams whether or not you like it. And every single country on this planet has baggage. I have people in my family who are living who remember what it feels like to be considered sub-human by British imperialists as they allowed famines. On the grand scheme of things, if we add up the sins and good deeds, the USA has done more to improve the lives of p…

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> EUropean here.

> Who cares? Is this an American thing to always brag something about race, or how much "non-racist we are"?

It matters because it's unprecedented in the United States, which is far more diverse than any other country in the world by a long shot. Think about all the racial tension that exists in most European countries from some sizable "outsider" populations. Roma in most of Europe. Polish in England. Turks in Germany. The United States completely eclipses all of that because we have accept more refugees and immigration than any other country in the world and we have the largest immigrant population in the world.

> Nobody gives a sh* here.

Probably not if you are part of the roughly 90 percent of people in any given state in Europe that happen to be the right race.

> In my opinion, US is still racist AF.

Yes, which is why seeing a black president be elected is remarkable.

> And it can mean racist against all kinds of people, even against white people. But you don't want to hear that ;-P ;-P

Racism is a shared tradition amongst all people and ironically it does not discriminate.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by 4ggr0 » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 11:53 AM UTC

diogenes_of_ak wrote: post #366

blacklion wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player Are you sure? Several months ago I've woke up to learn, that my country start to kill civilians of other country with bombs, missiles and shelling, to become "top player". And, what is even worse, many of my fellow citizens support it. Now I'm trying to leave this country for some other, which don't have ambitions to be top-player but don't kill civilians and…

Всё будет хорошо скоро - мир меняется быстро, и есть возможность работать в любом месте ты хочешь. Счастливо тебе, и если тебе надо помочь, послай мне dm, не знаю что могу делать, но могу стараться помогать. Прости за мой плохой русский, меня научали мальчики когда я жил в Украине на обмене в средней школе.

If others wonder what this text says -

All will be well soon - the world is changing fast, and there are opportunities to work anywhere you want.

So long, and if you need help, send me a dm, I don't know what I can do, but I can try to help.

Sorry about my bad Russian, I was taught by the boys when I lived in Ukraine on a high school exchange.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 11:54 AM UTC

themitigating wrote: post #339

moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

"As for me, I'm an American and it is in my best interests that USA stays top dog. I didn't immigrate here to downgrade lol, so I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player." The country or its people? This seems like a very selfish sentiment. Shouldn't we want everyone to prosper, no matter where they are from? There are countless who may not be able to afford to emigrate to the US

> This seems like a very selfish sentiment.

Just show's how well they've integrated into American society.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by refurb » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 11:56 AM UTC

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #305

olalonde wrote: post #200

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First, this ignores that the USA benefits tremendously from trading with other countries, most of all with China. If this mindset was applied universally, the USA (and the world) would be worse off. It also ignores that treating countries as though they are enemies can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. It can increase the threat rather than decrease it. Second, it's not necessarily in one's best interest to live in…

> the average US citizen would still be better off than the average Chinese citizen By what metrics? As an example, longevity is slightly higher in China than in US (77.30 years vs 77), it is GROWING in China while decreasing in US, or china has a transportation system that is orders of magnitude better than the US one. Ever heard of the high speed train system and how quickly was it built? Median income alone isn't…

You realize vast swaths of China’s population are pretty much rural farmers living of less than $5,000 per year right?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by qzx_pierri » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 11:57 AM UTC

627467 wrote: post #368

jpk wrote: post #33

Lots of folks here arguing that the focus on TikTok is unfair, given the data collection practices of domestic corps like Facebook. From a privacy point of view, this argument is well-founded, but I think it's tangential to the argument TFA is making, which is: this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. I get it. We want corps to stop hoo…

> this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. How were Snowden revelations of USG Bigtech relationship materially different from what's happening here? Maybe it was less transparent? Any "woke" person can see the cognitive dissonance here. It's all fine that you use the geopolitical rivalry argument but not if you try to paint one side of…

You gotta remember a lot of people on HN work for, and already drank the FAANG kool-aid.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by blitz_skull » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 11:57 AM UTC

bigDinosaur wrote: post #374

blitz_skull wrote: post #333

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This comment seems in bad faith. I think it’s pretty clear this conversation wasn’t about killing civilians so the comment about “whatever necessary” probably wasn’t intended to include violations of the Geneva convention. Just saying.

'Whatever it needs' is fairly unambiguous language and including violence in that is not a particularly unpopular viewpoint in recent history.

“Whatever” is by definition ambiguous. It might include violence, sure, but when the comment specifically mentioned data and the actual content at hand several times, it can be pretty safely concluded that it doesn’t include violence.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by diogenes_of_ak » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 11:59 AM UTC

4ggr0 wrote: post #383

diogenes_of_ak wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Всё будет хорошо скоро - мир меняется быстро, и есть возможность работать в любом месте ты хочешь. Счастливо тебе, и если тебе надо помочь, послай мне dm, не знаю что могу делать, но могу стараться помогать. Прости за мой плохой русский, меня научали мальчики когда я жил в Украине на обмене в средней школе.

If others wonder what this text says - All will be well soon - the world is changing fast, and there are opportunities to work anywhere you want. So long, and if you need help, send me a dm, I don't know what I can do, but I can try to help. Sorry about my bad Russian, I was taught by the boys when I lived in Ukraine on a high school exchange.

Sorry if other languages aren’t permissible. I can delete it if I need to.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by DFHippie » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 11:59 AM UTC

christophilus wrote: post #264

strangegecko wrote: post #218

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> Who cares? Is this an American thing to always brag something about race, or how much "non-racist we are"? Nobody gives a sh* here. As another European who lives in Asia, I don't understand this European love of blanket ranting against Americans. Yes, the US still has a racism problem. In fact, every country in the world has racism problems. That doesn't make the topic of who can get elected irrelevant. Can you ima…

US presidents cannot be foreigners. It’s written into the highest law of the land.

This is true, but the hatred Obama faced generally revolved around a belief that he was effectively foreign if a legal citizen and, moreover, a citizen by birth. He wasn't a "real American" -- these were the words used by Sarah Palin. And generally conservatives in the US regard non-conservatives as less American than themselves. The reverse is not the case. Bernie and AOC don't suggest Trump isn't American.

I'm curious how universal this is. The fascist regimes of the mid 20th century all demonized a large segment of their own population and put them outside the protection of the state, or rather, targeted them as enemies of the state and the "true" citizens. How does Marine Le Pen speak of the left-leaning French? Japan is a particularly ethnically uniform nation. Does the Right in Japan regard the Left as non-Japanese? If so, does the Left reciprocate, or does it regard the Right as Japanese but wrong?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by kergonath » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 12:01 PM UTC

atwood22 wrote: post #351

themitigating wrote: post #339

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"As for me, I'm an American and it is in my best interests that USA stays top dog. I didn't immigrate here to downgrade lol, so I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player." The country or its people? This seems like a very selfish sentiment. Shouldn't we want everyone to prosper, no matter where they are from? There are countless who may not be able to afford to emigrate to the US

Life is largely zero-sum.

It is not. When I go shopping I give them a bill and I get something to eat. Both parties are better off after that transaction.

Similarly, if I am good at making stuff but terrible at growing stuff, by being in a community I can survive despite an utter lack of agricultural abilities and produce stuff that the farmers would not know how to make. Again, not zero sum.

You could argue that this is civilisation and unnatural. But nature is full of symbionts, not only predator/prey dynamics. “Life is a zero-sum game” sounds like something a social Darwinist would say to justify their pre-existing beliefs. It is in some instances, but it also isn’t in quite a lot of cases. It comes from a very incomplete understanding of life and ecosystems in general.