Live data from Hacker News

Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

winteriscoming.net

381–390 of 605 posts

Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

#381
post #18

Obviously, I’ll wait and see once it comes out. But it seems odd to spend so much and not have a single established creator that has put out great content. And not to involve Jackson seems off because even having him in a consulting role would be a good sign. Looking at the imdb page this seems like a corporate driven project rather than a creator driven project with lots of different directors that haven’t don’t any…

As a huge ASOIAF fan, I had the same concerns after Game of Thrones was announced and first details were shared. The crucial difference, though, is that GRRM himself was involved in the series.

And Benioff and Weiss, for whatever criticisms people want to throw at them for the final season, were experienced writing/producing partners who had successfully adapted material before. Benioff is the one who pursued adapting ASOIAF with GRRM (and convinced GRRM that he understood the property and also that it was better suited for premium television, not as a feature film), got the HBO deal, and started working on it in 2006, along with GRRM. He wasn’t just installed by the studio to be the showrunner — he was the guy that worked to get the deal done for 5 years before it even debuted.

No one involved in this project appears to have the same level of involvement. Instead of someone like David Benioff bringing a property to the network to adapt and develop, Amazon spent out the ass in a bidding war over the rights and then hired people to run the show.

That can obviously work just fine, but in general, it works better when the showrunners and producers are the ones that pursued the material and sold it to the network (or steamer, in this case).

Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

#382
post #18

Obviously, I’ll wait and see once it comes out. But it seems odd to spend so much and not have a single established creator that has put out great content. And not to involve Jackson seems off because even having him in a consulting role would be a good sign. Looking at the imdb page this seems like a corporate driven project rather than a creator driven project with lots of different directors that haven’t don’t any…

They are probably hoping this is season 1 of 10 of a breakout show. Impossible to do that if you use famous actors in season 1 (unless they die in season 1 like Sean Bean in Game of Thrones) because they will all be demanding untenable salaries by season 3 killing the shows ability to continue. I’m stoked for such a high budget fantasy show to be coming out and don’t really care how true to Tolkien it is so long as the story and characters are compelling.

Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

#383
post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Looking at the imdb page this seems like a corporate driven project rather than a creator driven project with lots of different directors that haven’t don’t anything remarkable and seem to have just done other Amazon shows. With the exception of, say, the first season of True Detective, most TV shows use multiple directors. The director on a TV show is usually in charge of the technical execution of the writers scr…

Actually, you could say we're in the middle of a transition. All the Marvel shows have used one director for the whole season of their shows, and they're not the only ones to have moved on to this format. As for OP's point, with the series' budget so high, a gun-for-hire TV director might not be accoustemed to the staggering budget they have to manage.

They're limited series, effectively just glorified really long movies cut into 6 episodes. They also don't have real showrunners because Kevin Feige calls the shots on overall continuity and vision. It's doubtful that 5-9 season television is ever going to go to this model.

Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

#384
post #59

So much money for something that I can already tell will flop... I really don't understand why they put people who have no connection with the IP in charge of this. It's really quite sad to see such a beloved world getting an adaptation that is destroyed by poor writing and design by committee

I thought the same at first but then realized that long after this series disappears from Amazon Prime and our collective consciousness Middle Earth will still be here. That's my hope anyway.

Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

#385
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The budget-talent-ratio just seems off. Usually, movies spend a lot of money on hiring talent, which here clearly isn't the case here. So the question is where is that money going. Grandparent and I are afraid that we end with something graphically completely overproduced and no story. Also, if you provide a junior engineer with a few million, you can't expect perfect software, even with that budget. Same reservation…

In Hollywood you don’t always hire people for talent but branding and audience awareness. If you have a brand like the Hobbit you don’t need brand name actors or directors to attract an audience.

The Hobbit movies were some of the worst films ever made, which doesn't help your point.

Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

#386
post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s putting those in quotes because they’re generally not formal positions that are explicitly credited, but are informal phrases referring to whoever has final creative control over a series.

That sounds like it's all a bit made up then...

It’s not. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showrunner

Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

#387
post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't really cut it, they renamed it. AP classes, independent study, and dedicated schools for high-performing students, rather than just individual classes in the main schools. https://vansd.org/highly-capable-services/

bad example, but there are tons of others https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/us/california-math-curric... "The draft rejected the idea of naturally gifted children, recommended against shifting certain students into accelerated courses in middle school"

You should read that article a bit more.

> The model has been in place since 2014, yielding a few years of data on retention and diversity that has been picked over by experts on both sides of the de-tracking debate. And while the data is complicated by numerous variables — a pandemic now among them — those who support San Francisco’s model say it has led to more students, and a more diverse set of students, taking advanced courses, without bringing down high achievers.

> California’s recommendations aim to expand the options for high-level math, so that students could take courses in, say, data science or statistics without losing their edge on college applications. (The move requires buy-in from colleges; in recent years, the University of California system has de-emphasized the importance of calculus credits.)

Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

#388
post #18

Obviously, I’ll wait and see once it comes out. But it seems odd to spend so much and not have a single established creator that has put out great content. And not to involve Jackson seems off because even having him in a consulting role would be a good sign. Looking at the imdb page this seems like a corporate driven project rather than a creator driven project with lots of different directors that haven’t don’t any…

Huge LOTR/Tolkien fan ever since I was a kid, loved the Ralph Bakashi animated LOTR film from the 70's(great rotoscoping and creepy mood), absolutely loved the Peter Jackson trilogy, liked the hobbit animated films Rankin and Bass(good music!, weird animation?), even found enjoyment in the newer Hobbit trilogy(3 movies for 1 small book? Smaug was great though!). After seeing this amazon trailer though I am beyond dis…

Did you ever see the Finnish LoTR series Hobitit?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobitit

Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

#389
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And we all know how it ended once they ran out of his material. Yes, I'm still salty.

Is it possible the reason it ended so badly is the same reason they ran out of material? It's been 11 years since the last ASOIAF novel. I think GRRM may have written himself into a corner and is unsure how to tie up all the threads and satisfactorily end the series.

Feels more like he has bitten off more than he could chew. He aimed to be today's Tolkien, but somewhere midway he run out of steam and decided there are other fun things to do. Can't really blame him - he doesn't owe anybody to dedicate his life to his book, even a popular one - but it's kinda clear by now that we shouldn't get our hopes up to have any proper conclusion to the story.

Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

#390
post #59

So much money for something that I can already tell will flop... I really don't understand why they put people who have no connection with the IP in charge of this. It's really quite sad to see such a beloved world getting an adaptation that is destroyed by poor writing and design by committee

I thought the same at first but then realized that long after this series disappears from Amazon Prime and our collective consciousness Middle Earth will still be here. That's my hope anyway.

Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.
Post reply on HN