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gigatexal wrote: post #159
cevn wrote: post #136

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Asahi Linux. And it is awesome, the future is here. Just waiting for the GPU driver and ... suspend... and brightness and sound.

Yeah. As soon as it’s got feature parity I am getting an m1 Mac to run Linux with i3. And no don’t mention magnet it’s not the same.

You could try Yabai [1], but it's a bspwm clone not an i3 clone. Still not as zippy as the TWMs on linux, but a pretty decent experience overall. There's also Amethyst [2] which kind of replicates xmonad. In most ways they're worse than using the linux ones, though at least you retain the full features of Aqua and Quartz, while trying to integrate i3 or other TWMs with a proper DE in linux remains to be a hassle.

[1] https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai

[2] https://ianyh.com/amethyst/

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Post by pishpash »

Hamuko wrote: post #359
skavi wrote: post #349

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As far as I can tell, there is almost no reason for the 13” MBP to exist.

Especially with the single external display limitation. It's basically just a MacBook Air with fans.

Wait till software catches up where the fan needs to turn on.

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Post by olliej »

smlacy wrote: post #358
corrral wrote: post #247

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A major factor in achieving excellent battery life coupled with relatively good performance & responsiveness, on Apple products, is the OS. That holds for both Macs and iDevices.

So you're saying that BSD has better power management than Linux? Would love to see some real research and analysis on this.

No, macOS does its own power management - the base kernel may be BSD, but macOS has vastly more work in it than simply shipping a basic BSD system.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by reaperducer »

asdff wrote: post #253
Escapado wrote: post #3

They were so careful not to compare it to the M1 Pro!

I was pricing it out, to get 512gb and 16gb of memory its $1700. You might as well save $25 a week until september and buy the m2 pro that comes stock with more memory and storage when they inevitably update the 14 inch and sell it for $2000. Better yet, wait 6 months and buy the refurbished m2 pro for $1700...

You might as well save $25 a week until september

The best tool is the one you have, not the one that doesn't exist. In September you could then wait for the M2 MAX coming in June. The in June wait for the M3 in September.

I can't imagine telling a client, "I'll get that video to you around Christmas. I'm waiting for another version of a computer that just came out to come out."

When it's raining, you want an umbrella, not to wait in the rain until someone builds a cafe to hide in.

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Post by genewitch »

sharikous wrote: post #218
kyleplum wrote: post #2

I can't help but wonder what Microsoft's answer to Apple Silicon will be going forward. They don't really make hardware, but selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead. It seems inevitable that there needs to be some ARM-based Windows laptops to compete in perf/watt to the M1/M2 but I don't know what company can provide an ARM chip that competes with Apple at this point.

It's not clear if the ISA difference is so meaningful, perhaps it's only a small part of the performance boost. Don't forget that Apple moved from PPC to x86 to get better perf/watt and the PPC ISA is closer to ARM than x86. Intel or AMD back on their feet can probably match Apple in perf/watt. And I guess they are the closest competitors in the PC market.

i thought apple switched to x86 because two console companies were buying most of the PPC fab output? I distinctly remember that being the reasoning. Until Ryzen hit with the 3000 series x86 didn't have a better perf/watt than PPC, at a glance.

In the 10 years between my 40 core HP server's release and the Ryzen 5950x's 16 cores, performance increased ~10%, but the TDP of the 5950x is 10% of the quad xeons in the HP. This is ignoring the fact that a single 5950x cost less in any market than a single xeon in that HP upon release.

Does anyone else remember the Cavium ThunderX processors? Whatever happened to those? the perf/watt on those was supposed to be outstanding...

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Post by _ea1k »

reaperducer wrote: post #364
FullyFunctional wrote: post #279

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Indeed, that "18%" improvement is almost certainly made up of very many 1% improvements (or more likely, many improvements that each only makes difference in some scenarios).

that "18%" improvement is almost certainly made up of very many 1% improvements My guess is 18 of them.

I'd guess 17, but I guess it depends on whether they compound. :)

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Post by pishpash »

ceeplusplus wrote: post #262
Matl wrote: post #117

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> selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead That's Apple's marketing but the 12th Gen P chips are perfectly capable of keeping up with Apple on the performance side and AMD's likely to be able to compete on the power consumption side as well. Yes, x86 is likely to never match ARM on battery life, but I believe they can be reasonably close for it not to be an issue.

That's exactly the problem though. One OEM can match Apple in performance, and the other in power, but none in both power and performance.

You forgot about price. There is a lot of low-end work that doesn't even need an Air, for $500.

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Post by bogwog »

kube-system wrote: post #301
bogwog wrote: post #260

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How has that been "proven"? If your argument is that people are still buying Macs despite the lack of customization, well that's ignoring the state of the market. Most consumers only have two choices (Mac or Windows), and oftentimes it comes down to familiarity with one OS over the other, rather than any specific features or merits of the actual product. If Apple released a "customizable" Mac, or one that could be up…

Modular laptops currently exist, and have existed in multiple incarnations over their entire existence. They always flop in the mass market. People in the tech community want modularity and upgradability. But you must remember that tech forums are tiny bubbles. The mass market overwhelmingly DGAF. If you want to be successful at selling laptops to a tiny market, it is possible. You will have a company that looks like…

This thread isn't very useful since my original comment wasn't clear enough, and it seems like people are misinterpreting my point, and then making assumptions about those interpretations.

* I'm not saying Apple should make a "modular laptop", just disagreeing with the idea that users wouldn't buy one.

* I'm also not talking about Framework-style modularity, but "simple" things like swapping out the hard drive and RAM, two things you can't do on Macs or Macbooks anymore.

Even if the average consumer wouldn't ever think to swap out those components themselves, the modularity would directly lead to longer lifespans for devices, lower repair costs, and (significantly) less e-waste. There are many regular non-tech people who would want those benefits.

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Post by olliej »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #315
DonHopkins wrote: post #137

I got an M1 Macbook Pro, and yeah, the processor is fast and cool and all that, but the most absolutely wonderful thing about it by far is that there's no touchbar!

Am I the only one who just ignored the touchbar and didn't take it as a personal affront?

The problem I have with the touchbar isn't the existence of it, it's that apparently my keyboard posture is terrible and I float fingers up their periodically. Because there's no force requirement for activation, I would keep triggering buttons. I could turn it off, but there are a few of the command/f buttons I use regularly, and so am stuck with it.

Hence, it's a nuisance. Not something I go insane about like some do, but it is a very definite day-to-day annoyance.

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Post by akrymski »

Someone please explain to me why I need so much power. Can't even run ML on these. More browser tabs?

I miss my 100Mhz IBM PC with 16 MBs of RAM & Visual Studio.

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