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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by xd1936 »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #291
chrisseaton wrote: post #76

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Why is AMD so important to you? Are there any instruction set extensions these days that are only available on AMD? I can only think of things that are the other way around - only on Intel. And if you need something niche like some SIMD extension I guess you're running a server not a laptop?

> Why is AMD so important to you? Not the GP, but here's my reason: For dGPUs, I strongly prefer AMD over nVidia because of Linux driver support. In recent years, most laptops with an AMD dGPU have AMD CPUs. It's possible that my calculus will change in the next few years. E.g., if any of these things come to market: - good laptop with Intel CPU and AMD dGPU - AMD CPU with a fast iGPU. (I know these are in the pipeli…

Sure, but none of these affect the Framework Laptop. This computer does not have discrete graphics.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by natosaichek »

jameshart wrote: post #368

Ohhhhh that's why there was a spate of projects posted last week about building computers based on framework mainboards - submarine marketing for this framework upgrade launch. Figured it was framework behind it somehow, but the fact that it's to promote the 'here are some ways to use your old mainboard once you upgrade' angle makes a ton of sense.

Yeah - whenever somebody makes a good thing and people use it in cool ways, that's submarine marketing for that thing.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by gavinpc »

freedomben wrote: post #321
gavinpc wrote: post #160

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I just ordered a Framework yesterday. I'm not interested in the 12th gen chip, but is there any other reason I might want to cancel & re-order today? i.e. would I be getting an older design? edit: Someone also brings this up on the OP: https://community.frame.work/t/introducing-the-new-and-upgra...

Not GP but if it were me and you don't care about the 12th gen chip, I definitely wouldn't cancel and re-order. I would guess the battery improvement won't be dramatic, but you'll end up with a little more cost and a longer wait time. The only thing might be the new cover. The old one is pretty flimsy and doesn't tolerate heavy abuse well. Mine is always in my house or a backpack so it's not been a problem for me, bu…

Good info, thanks! For better or worse, it had already shipped.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by Melatonic »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #298
Goronmon wrote: post #154

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I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I get excited about different laptops occasionally...and then I remember that I won't have a trackpoint if I switch to a different brand, and I get disappointed. Literally happens every few months.

Same. Everytime I get excited about Framework, Syste7m6, etc... and then get sad. I fully understand I'm a vanishing minority, But trackpoint is such a productivity booster for me, and makes such amazing use of space in a laptop format, that it's a must-have (and again, I fully understand that those who don't use Trackpoint will have no comprehension of what am I going on about; I'm a grouchy quirky old man :). Then…

Trackpoint really is damn nice. I also find it hilarious when I disable the trackpad in the bios to avoid any accidental brushes and then someone else tries to use my laptop - its like watching a deer try to walk for the first time!

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by Melatonic »

tluyben2 wrote: post #257
Goronmon wrote: post #154

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I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I get excited about different laptops occasionally...and then I remember that I won't have a trackpoint if I switch to a different brand, and I get disappointed. Literally happens every few months.

That's why I have high hopes for (something like) the Frame.work; it should be possible to just get another keyboard 'part' which actually does have a trackpoint (and even no trackpad but other stuff theoretically). Someone, either Frame.work themselves or someone else needs to make it, but at least it's possible. Edit: I would pay for such a keyboard for the Frame.work; it would actually very much stimulate me to bu…

Seriously - or at least a mod kit to get it working with the existing keyboard. Hell there could even maybe be a universal mod kit to add to any laptop keyboard that is removeable and has the space!

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by emiller88 »

doyougnu wrote: post #340

I recently bought a framework laptop for a daily driver when I'm not on my desktop. For context I was running NixOS on an old 2014 macbook air, and I work on the glasgow haskell compiler in my day job so I do a lot of CPU heavy tasks. I've got to say, as long as these things are being produced I'll never go back. They are just too good and I cannot recommend them highly enough. One of the things that didn't occur to…

FYI, we've added support for the framework to nixos-hardware. I appreciate any feedback or improvements anyone has! https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-hardware/blob/master/framewor...

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by dmix »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #179
rgrmrts wrote: post #41

I would buy a 15/16” version of this in a heartbeat :) I really hope another chassis with a larger screen is in the cards for framework!

Hdpi, with a more sane aspect ratio and hdr that is suitable for graphics work would be high on my wish list. I actually like using Darktable. And I like using it on a good screen better. So even though I have a Linux laptop that runs Darktable very nicely (even with just Intel Xe graphics), I actually do a lot of photo editing on my 8 year old imac, which has a 5K screen, fantastic contrast & colors, etc. It shows m…

> Why can't Linux users get screens that good?

The only thing stopping me from switching from MBP.

Framework is a giant step forward though. Pretty much everything I could want otherwise.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by newaccount74 »

hinkley wrote: post #264
petilon wrote: post #217

Still no retina display option. Steve Jobs made the right call over a decade ago... the only scaling that looks good after 100% is 200%. Any in-between scaling will have display artifacts. This laptop has 150% scaling. What sort of display artifacts can you expect because of this? Go to a web page with a grid, with 1-pixel horizontal grid lines. Even though all lines are set to 1-pixel, some lines will appear thicker…

Using an external monitor with OS X, you're often stuck with those in-between sizes if you don't either have hawkeyes or enjoy seeing super-crisp 1080p resolution taking up half of your desk, which is a waste of space. I'm mostly not going to be looking at a 1 pixel wide line at 4k on a 27" monitor. At 32" it might be debatable. Above that you're stacking them oddly (top+bottom, one vertical, or both), or you're down…

Yeah, Steve Jobs mistake was assuming that 3rd party manufacturers would offer high res displays. 10 years later, and the only high res display on the market that's suitable as a 2x display is Apple's own 5k studio display, which comes with a super high price and a crappy webcam...

If you want something that uses less space on the desk, there used to be some 24" 4k displays which were acceptable, even though the DPI is slightly too low on them for 2x.

So while the 2x scaling worked out great for laptops and iMacs, there's unfortunately only very limited options for external displays...

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