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Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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post #73

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i would often use `site:news.ycombinator.com` to search a topic to see if it has been talked about, and what comments that topic has. It's good, but not really _that_ often useful.

Hacker News has a really good dedicated search engine: https://hn.algolia.com/

That's how a search engine should work: it returns only what you asks of it, knows how many results there are, can be forced to use your query verbatim.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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post #217

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They own the web through Chrome, it’s one of their best investments. They’re killing Firefox with it (RIP) and successfully killed IE with it (rest in piss). We’re getting to a desktop browser hegemony again but I doubt a scrappy upstart will be able to save us.

For sure, and it’s only Safari that gets a bad reputation

Yep, and folks will keep complaining until it’s just a fork of Chrome.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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How come nobody is doing social search yet? Why can't I up and down vote results and maybe even comment on them or something? I don't want to ever see some of these recipe sites that show up again... I can't imagine I would if people were helping curate. Seems like an "easy" solution to SEO crapola?

I vaguely remember Wiki's search engine doing this; maybe it was called WikiCloud? Anyway, it was just clunky in practice to

1. search something

2. click links until you get your info

3. go back to the search page and upvote/downvote the results based on which ones were useful

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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Well whether you add “site:.edu” or not, Google still does the thing where they just spit out a pile of extra “matches” that don’t contain your search phrase AT ALL . Just thrown into the list, as if they have any business being there (oh wait, they do have business: Google’s business). Frankly, if it’s not reliable as a tool, it has no real value and I can’t believe it has come to this. Imagine if every time you ran…

Unfortunately the fuzzy search thing is in a kind of feedback loop in terms of user expectation. Because of Google users are used to typing the wrong thing and getting the right answer. If I search for "how old is Roger Redford" Google tells me that Robert Redford was born in 1936 (it doesn't even display the "Did you mean...?" correction). And to be fair, in 99% of cases the person probably did mean Robert Redford.…

Seems like the search market is ready for Google Search Pro, where you can use advanced operators and syntax to get exactly what you asked. Just $9.99 monthly, or buy Google One and get it free!

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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How come nobody is doing social search yet? Why can't I up and down vote results and maybe even comment on them or something? I don't want to ever see some of these recipe sites that show up again... I can't imagine I would if people were helping curate. Seems like an "easy" solution to SEO crapola?

I vaguely remember Wiki's search engine doing this; maybe it was called WikiCloud? Anyway, it was just clunky in practice to 1. search something 2. click links until you get your info 3. go back to the search page and upvote/downvote the results based on which ones were useful

Hmm, I see what you mean and how that could be bad. Maybe something like the old stumbleupon interface could work.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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Well whether you add “site:.edu” or not, Google still does the thing where they just spit out a pile of extra “matches” that don’t contain your search phrase AT ALL . Just thrown into the list, as if they have any business being there (oh wait, they do have business: Google’s business). Frankly, if it’s not reliable as a tool, it has no real value and I can’t believe it has come to this. Imagine if every time you ran…

Unfortunately the fuzzy search thing is in a kind of feedback loop in terms of user expectation. Because of Google users are used to typing the wrong thing and getting the right answer. If I search for "how old is Roger Redford" Google tells me that Robert Redford was born in 1936 (it doesn't even display the "Did you mean...?" correction). And to be fair, in 99% of cases the person probably did mean Robert Redford.…

And just like a spellchecker, a suggestion of what it thinks you meant is welcome, but an automatic change is extremely not.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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> Well whether you add “site:.edu” or not, Google still does the thing where they just spit out a pile of extra “matches” that don’t contain your search phrase AT ALL There used to be a 'verbatim' mode that would do exactly that. The quotes symbol were also a way to enforce verbatim mode. Sadly this behaviour of "let me assume what you want" is not exclusive of google as I also now experience this on ddg.

As an anecdote, we have implemented a really strict exact match at Kagi (meaning quotes do exactly what they are supposed to do). We did receive some feedback that we should relax it a bit mostly because non-alphanum character matching (some users wanted them ignored) and occasional empty results page (some users were not used to getting an empty result page as Google almost always returns something, even if it is no…

how capable is your Boolean searching? could I do `(catalog* OR classif*) AND (archiv* OR librar* OR museum*)`? does it support AND/OR booleans?

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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Your expectations are too low. We all remember google in it's heyday when it returned honest results, so we know what's possible.

I remember the days when internet as a whole were simpler in terms of contents and users, and search engines reflected that simpicity. I am not sure if it's possible to go back to those days.

If only there was a large, old search engine, that still had a web index from the days before SEO spam, that it could prioritize over newer results.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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As an anecdote, we have implemented a really strict exact match at Kagi (meaning quotes do exactly what they are supposed to do). We did receive some feedback that we should relax it a bit mostly because non-alphanum character matching (some users wanted them ignored) and occasional empty results page (some users were not used to getting an empty result page as Google almost always returns something, even if it is no…

how capable is your Boolean searching? could I do `(catalog* OR classif*) AND (archiv* OR librar* OR museum*)`? does it support AND/OR booleans?

I would also be curious if you're able to filter results by site or country domain? (similar to now depricated google keywords with "site:foo.com" or "domain:.bar")

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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post #214

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> It's not a Google problem Oh it is definitelt a Google problem. I was in mood yesterday and I tried Google versus Kagi and You Code. Results of N out of N queries in other search engines were miles better in other search engines than Google. I have now switched completely to code.you.com and Kagi from Google. They are ready.

Kagi is jaw-droppingly amazing. With Google search quality declining, Bing being on average 95% as good as Google, and DuckDuckGo being 90% as good, I was doubting there was any way that search engines would ever improve. Kagi has removed that doubt completely. I ask for stuff and it finds it. I couldn't believe there could be such a useful product.

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