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Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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It's not valid to censor the word "mother". It's either laughable or sinister, depending on whether the people trying to do it actually have power.

This is literally Brave New World stuff. Not exaggerating, the word mother was hugely offensive to the people in that book. Unfortunately we don’t even get the Orgy Porgy parts. It’s like the worst parts of 1984 and Brave New World mixed together.

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"Motherboard" is particularly unbelievable. The motherboard runs the machine. It's a woman in a position of power. Isn't that what everyone says they want? Or is the idea to just erase the very concept of gender from the world? Welcome to OkCupid, I am a [PERSON] seeking [PERSON] I want out of this timeline

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Well they're not trying to raise up men, they're trying to destroy any notion of gender, see "gender is a social construct".

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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This attempt at "de-offensive-izing" all language has the effect of turning clear, evocative phrases to mush. George Carlin's skit couldn't be more timely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isMm2vF4uFs

Putting myself in the shoes of a kid learning about computers, I find some of these phrases to be more clear, not less clear. Two examples: Allowlist and denylist are much clearer to a kid learning about computers than whitelist or blacklist. If you've never heard of whitelist before, it's sounds like a list of things that are white. If you've never of allowlist, it's pretty obvious what it means - a list of things t…

> Mainboard implies there's one main board. Motherboard could be more ambiguous to someone who's never seen the inside of a computer. Are there two boards, mother and father?

Am I crazy or does mainboard strongly imply there's more than one -- eg main, supporting / secondary, etc? Stories have a main character which is almost by definition not the only character in the narrative.

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One of the reasons I left google is that their "content moderation team" (the folks who make you take down wrongthink memes) is so far out of touch, that somebody had to explain to them there are people in the world who are discriminated against, but aren't black. They simply didn't know that was the case! And if that's the people who are moderating content... I said motherboard all the time in meetings and chats, ne…

> somebody had to explain to them there are people in the world who are discriminated against, but aren't black.

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Since when is black and white primarily a racial thing anyways? It seems a little inverted, like a black flag or a black mark on an account, it’s not like it’s called “negrolist”, black and white are colors before they are slang for race/culture. Maybe instead of neutering the dictionary we could try a different angle and quit lumping people into “white” or “black”? Some people are Kenyan, Irish, Nigerian, German, no…

I think they're trying to change language to disassociate "black" with negative meaning. Which is going to be very hard, because the reason for the association is from black being the unknown. It's the night that hides the predators. It's the shadow where the enemy hides. It's where you don't want to put your foot in case there are spiders or a sharp rock. Humans are afraid of the dark. I've not even heard of being a…

Yes, I think that's right: black is logically linked with darkness, and human beings, like other diurnal lifeforms, don't like the dark. The association is found throughout literature, from the biblical outer darkness, where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth, to the Black/Dark Riders in The Lord of the Rings, via traditional fairy tales in which a beautiful but evil sister is described as fair/white of face but black of heart.

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In the article they use the example of "Motherboard" and "Landlord" and seem to suggest that these are areas where the Google AI is making mistakes or being overly strict. As a Google employee expressing my own opinion and observations of company culture, I can say that these are 100% not mistakes. Many Google employees are just so out of touch with the real world that they believe it is the duty of Google Docs to ch…

"Motherboard" is particularly unbelievable. The motherboard runs the machine. It's a woman in a position of power. Isn't that what everyone says they want? Or is the idea to just erase the very concept of gender from the world? Welcome to OkCupid, I am a [PERSON] seeking [PERSON] I want out of this timeline

> It's a woman in a position of power. Isn't that what everyone says they want?

Wouldn't it be equally problematic if they banned are male words and allowed all female words? If you're going for it, removing gender (from computer terminology) seems consistent. No one is saying to remove it from the world, but mainboard is just as if not more descriptive (to someone who isn't familiar with the word to start with), and things like allowlist/blocklist are much more self-descriptive than whitelist/blacklist.

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And now the rest of the world will be very happy learn that they will once more have to silently deal with the aftermath of America’s latest political trend. After banning world-famous paintings from Facebook because they dared show a breast, a few well-off engineers and product managers will now pick which English words should remain, and which should be let go. How nice of them. Don’t know what we’d do without them…

Supposedly they hate imperialism.

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What? The 2008 Mortgage Crisis was the biggest news story for at least a year. Comparing that to "inclusivity" is also strange because inclusivity is not an event. A single event has a natural decay of relevance, the further into the past it gets.

> What? The 2008 Mortgage Crisis was the biggest news story for at least a year. It was an event that absolutely decimated MANY people in America financially. And for many of those people, their only fault in the whole thing was, I guess, being ignorant enough to be taken advantage of. We spend a lot more time discussing things that are a lot more irrelevant than that. > Comparing that to "inclusivity" is also strang…

I dunno, you're not providing any evidence to back up the assertion that "we" talk way more about inclusivity than "powerful elites." Who is "we?"

HN? Are you talking about in the news? A specific news outlet?

The imbalance of power between the ultra-wealthy and the rest of us is in the news all the time, at least that I watch and read.

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