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Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by faeriechangling »

goosedragons wrote: post #322
alwillis wrote: post #319

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Remember that it’s more than just raw resolution. Of course macOS supports these higher resolutions but there’s also the color calibration and support for wider color gamuts other than sRGB and having that all integrated together. For example, the iMac had Display P3 (a color space 50% bigger than RGB) support starting in 2015.

And Apple still hasn't shipped a laptop with a higher refresh rate than 120hz when competitors have been shipping 144 or even 240hz for years (A 100% bigger value than 120hz!).

120hz is slow technology but those MBP displays are around the best you can get when you look the whole picture, notch aside.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by thirdsun »

dijit wrote: post #167
DCKing wrote: post #26

I like this announcement, because it means that there's a manufacturing line for proper HiDPI [1] displays running in some LG factory somewhere that third party manufactures like LG/Dell/Iiyama can hopefully use to give us some fresh good-looking 27" 5K desktop monitors. It boggles my mind how little attention very high pixel density displays have been getting from PC display manufacturers. I would also be first in l…

Apple have always been the first to push higher resolution devices for as long as I've been alive. Laptops in the early 2010's were stuck on 1336x768 until Apple kicked up a fuss about having "retina", same with phones which had comically low resolutions until Apple made a fuss about it with the iPhone 4. Sadly my eyes aren't as good as they used to be so I can't make a lot of use of the extra real-estate, but it alw…

> Sadly my eyes aren't as good as they used to be so I can't make a lot of use of the extra real-estate, but it always seems as if they're ahead when it comes to resolutions on consumer devices.

With proper 2x scaling as intended by Apple there is no extra screen real-estate. 5k at 2x scaling gives you the real-estate of a 2560 x 1440 display, just with a doubled pixel density and thus much sharper. This is the actual value of HiDPI display.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by mikl »

So happy they finally made this. Ever since I got my first retina MacBook Pro a decade ago, I’ve wanted a good companion display for it. The LG UltraFine worked, but was never good. Iiyama and the other knock-offs were worse.

Basically instapurchased this. Now just have to wait two weeks for it to show up…

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by faeriechangling »

porker wrote: post #370
kalleboo wrote: post #354

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Looking at the uproar over at Reddit, it seems like people care far more about refresh rate than resolution or color depth. This also seems to be borne out by the current monitor market - most monitors seem to be 1440p high-refresh rate monitors.

Gamers. Reddit is not a good measure for what workers who use computers want. Or need.

The vast majority of people with 120hz+ displays do not play video games. They're standard in mid-range TVs. They're standard in mid to high-end phones. They're standard in high end tablets. Gamers are a minority of the 120hz panel market. They're certainly also a minority of the people discussing this panel on reddit, 5k is too high resolution for gaming and 120hz is too slow, people weren't wanting a 5k120hz panel to play games, they wanted it for productivity and at most to play games on the side.

Low refresh rate is bad for pros for the same reason it's bad for gamers, it makes it harder to quickly and accurately perceive things in motion and it slows down your ability to accurately execute inputs. I feel the effects of the reality distortion field has caused everybody to believe that quite simply no real professionals could dislike working on 60hz LCDs and the disappointment is all caused by all those silly gamers.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by faeriechangling »

owenwil wrote: post #105
jjcm wrote: post #98

Awesome to see them finally putting out almost consumer friendly pricing displays. Few things I'm disappointed about though: - 60hz. For this price point I'd expect higher. - Thunderbolt 3. Interesting that they didn't bump to 4, given the Mac Studio is Thunderbolt 4. This means you wont be able to daisy chain the displays. - Lack of size options. Would love to see more variety here. After moving to an ultrawide form…

The technology to do 5K @ 120hz just doesn't exist yet. 5K @ 60Hz is already maxing out Thunderbolt 4.

Samsung has 5120x1440 @ 240hz today. That is literally half of a 5K panel at double the speed. It amazes me how many people I've seen say this exact same thing about how 5k120hz is impossible.

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Post by faeriechangling »

spartanatreyu wrote: post #358
kllrnohj wrote: post #310

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And yet somehow the technology to do 8k @ 120hz does exist... ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDUnSsx62j8 )

Does that video show the connection used to display that. If not, I'm guessing that example case is either using a lossy data compression or multiple cables running to multiple displays.

Lossy Data Compression is used on the Pro Display XDR and Apple doesn't seem to lose any sleep over it. DSC is quite good.

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Post by faeriechangling »

fotta wrote: post #107
jjcm wrote: post #98

Awesome to see them finally putting out almost consumer friendly pricing displays. Few things I'm disappointed about though: - 60hz. For this price point I'd expect higher. - Thunderbolt 3. Interesting that they didn't bump to 4, given the Mac Studio is Thunderbolt 4. This means you wont be able to daisy chain the displays. - Lack of size options. Would love to see more variety here. After moving to an ultrawide form…

TB4 has the same bandwidth as TB3 so you wouldn't be able to daisy chain 5k monitors anyway. Also as the other commentator mentioned, TB doesn't have enough bandwidth for 120hz (53Gbps vs 40Gbps)

Try doing your same math with the Pro Display XDR or the Samsung Odyssey G9 and your calculations will come up with the monitors being impossible especially accounting for overhead. 5k120hz is very possible with today's tech, you just need to use DSC or 2 links.

That is why people were hoping for it.

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Post by faeriechangling »

dnissley wrote: post #208
oceanplexian wrote: post #171

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Yeah I don’t know what it is with everyone prioritizing pixels over refresh rate.. once you start using 100+hz 60hz starts to feel like a slide show. You can see mouse trails and scrolling is jerky and uncoordinated, it’s painful and insanely distracting.

I mainly just look at text all day, so the "slow" transitions between different bits of text just don't matter all that much to me. Resolution helps that text look nice and crisp though, which I really do appreciate.

If you look at text specifically all day than high refresh rate is especially useful since you will be scrolling a lot.

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ThePhysicist wrote: post #121

I wish they wouldn't make me scroll through two pages of animated backgrounds just to see the actual monitor. That said if I would spend this much on a monitor I would prefer the Samsung Odyssey Neo, which has a 5K resolution on a curved 49' display with a 240 Hz refresh rate, HDR 2.000 and G-Sync/Freesync. I guess the color space coverage is not as good though, and it's not as bright at 420 nits, though that's more…

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Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by faeriechangling »

swah wrote: post #172
noahtallen wrote: post #91

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I disagree completely. My main monitor is at 144hz, and it's very jarring to switch to my (slightly older) MBP running at 60hz. Not having high refresh rate means this new monitor won't ever be on my short list.

I feel that while changing from 30hz to 60hz and the latter feels smooth (enough). Never used a higher refresh rate device but wonder how much more can this keep going and humans noticing.

I imagine things will get to the imperceptible range around ~500hz but diminishing returns apply. 60 to 120 is a bigger deal than 120 to 480.
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