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Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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ryan29 wrote: post #164
amanzi wrote: post #62

Using Windows with a Microsoft account introduces all sorts of issues that only power users tend to come across, and power users are who Windows Pro is targeted for. For example, RDP'ing to a Windows Pro computer with a Microsoft account becomes a lot more difficult. Another example is that Windows still needs a local username and password, even if you've logged in with a Microsoft account, and this can get out of sy…

I use multiple non-admin profiles for different activities and I think this will ruin my strategy. I always make the first user a local account and never use it for anything but adding normal user profiles. I log in with my personal Microsoft account on one profile. I use a local account for a work profile that also has a MS365 account added to it (to avoid being joined to the domain). I have a second MS account for…

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Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

throwaway22032 wrote: post #298
alar44 wrote: post #292

Guys, Microsoft doesn't give two shits about home users. Their bread and butter is businesses. And M365 is amazing for business. If you think M$ suxors, you're not the target demographic. I'd much rather manage 200 users with M365 than some fucked up combo of slack, Google, Dropbox, and libreoffice.

I don't need to be managed, thanks. Give me credentials and a live CD.

You still need e-mail and file sharing, right?

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by shawnz »

jenscow wrote: post #270
ryan29 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use multiple non-admin profiles for different activities and I think this will ruin my strategy. I always make the first user a local account and never use it for anything but adding normal user profiles. I log in with my personal Microsoft account on one profile. I use a local account for a work profile that also has a MS365 account added to it (to avoid being joined to the domain). I have a second MS account for…

> I use multiple non-admin profiles for different activities Well, shit me. I've not used Windows since 8 came out. However, I would have loved to have had that workflow for a multiple desktop type thing. Why didn't I think of that 20 years ago? (for a long time, windows has internally supported multiple desktops, but it's not quite the same)

Windows now exposes the multiple desktops feature in the shell.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

selfhoster11 wrote: post #302
oblio wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're completely right. So, they're just like Apple and Google :-)))

Yes, which is exactly why you should be fighting against those two as well. I'm doing my bit by not putting much valuable data besides YouTube playlists into my very ancient Google account, and using Linux on the desktop.

For (sane) business e-mail you basically have 3 choices: MS, Google or Zoho.

I recently commented on this topic here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30266721

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by sgjohnson »

I currently use my Windows box strictly for gaming. It’s a pretty low end box by today’s standards (16 GB RAM, 1st gen Ryzen 7, and GTX 1060).

When I build myself a new gaming PC, I highly doubt that I’ll be running Windows on it. I’m basically done with Microsoft at this point.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by hedora »

amanzi wrote: post #62

Using Windows with a Microsoft account introduces all sorts of issues that only power users tend to come across, and power users are who Windows Pro is targeted for. For example, RDP'ing to a Windows Pro computer with a Microsoft account becomes a lot more difficult. Another example is that Windows still needs a local username and password, even if you've logged in with a Microsoft account, and this can get out of sy…

Wow, this comment just crossed 50 replies. I think the fundamental issue is that Microsoft platforms have never maintained the invariant that knowing your username and password is enough to log in.

Oh well. Minecraft and an Xbox 360 are my remaining use cases for my Microsoft account. I've long left that ecosystem. I do miss my windows phone though.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by joenathanone »

snuxoll wrote: post #375
vel0city wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't used pure Azure AD accounts from a management perspective before, and I've used it for less than a year as a user. However, I've yet to experience any sync issues personally. What kind of issues can crop up, and how?

You have to use AzureAd\john@contoso.con otherwise it interprets as a UPN and fun ensures. Just deployed 30+ Azure AD only devices in a clinic and that took some getting used to when elevating with UAC.

100%, and trying to train users that they need to add AzureAd\ to their login....

Also with pure Azure AD accounts you have to add each users permissions manually to each machine they need to login to since Azure AD groups don't sync down to each machine.(Correct me if I am wrong here, it could have changed since I last did a pure Azure AD install 3-4 years ago)

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by deorder »

13415 wrote: post #37
stuckinhell wrote: post #10

Yikes, I don't like that at all. These days I only use windows for games, otherwise I'm mostly mac or linux. I guess I should learn how to develop unity games on linux sooner rather than later.

Gaming is not so bad on Linux but I wish I'd never bought any pro audio plugins for my home recordings. It's going to be a colossal waste of money and unfinished recording projects when I decide to get rid of Windows for good.

You can always try something like this: https://github.com/robbert-vdh/yabridge

It may not work for VST plugins with certain DRMs though.

Update: I see that bepzi was 1 hour ahead of me. I did not see it when I refreshed the page, only after I replied.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

layer8 wrote: post #380
Tijdreiziger wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIUC, the news is that Microsoft will be disabling this workaround and requiring an active network connection on setup.

No, the news is that they are extending the online account requirement from Home to Pro. This means that when Windows 10 goes EOL in 2025, the large majority of (non-enterprise) Windows users will be using an online account. And then it will only be a small step to completely drop support for local accounts (maybe for Windows 12). At least that’s my theory what Microsoft is aiming for.

Yes, our comments don’t contradict each other, right? Here’s what MS themselves wrote [1]:

> Similar to Windows 11 Home edition, Windows 11 Pro edition now requires internet connectivity during the initial device setup (OOBE) only. If you choose to setup device for personal use, MSA will be required for setup as well. You can expect Microsoft Account to be required in subsequent WIP flights.

Tweakers.net reported that they already blocked the Shift + F10 workaround in Home [2], so I can only assume they’ll be bringing that to Pro too…

[1] https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2022/02/16/announc...

[2] https://tweakers.net/nieuws/193418/windows-11-pro-installati...

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