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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by MisterMower »

sofixa wrote: post #328
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

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“I'm not saying everyone dissenting from the generally accepted opinions should be fully banned from the Internet or sent to jail”

What are you saying, exactly? We just fine them increasing amounts of money until they agree with the “generally accepted opinions?”

Who gets to decide what the generally accepted opinions are? How do we even know they’re right? Why does everybody have to agree on everything? Your musings are, quite frankly, childish. People are entitled to their incorrect opinions.

If you want to end climate change denialism or anti-vaccine sentiment, discuss the facts with people who sympathize with those viewpoints. Convince them on the evidence. Find better evidence if you can’t.

The people like yourself who want to engage in censorship never have the truth on their side. There’d be no reason to censor anything if you did: just lead with the truth instead. Let the facts speak for themselves. The fact that you can’t convince people of your “facts” is proof that you your ideas are garbage.

By all means though, continue to push for censorship. It will only increase the skepticism and distrust of the “generally accepted opinions” held by polite society.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Sparyjerry »

firasd wrote: post #130

When JRE went to Spotify many people were hailing it as an anti-cancellation move. They clearly misunderstood.. the podcast was decentralized (even if your podcast host shuts you down you can serve the rss and mp3s from somewhere else). And Youtube was another avenue of distribution. Centralization makes you more vulnerable to getting particular content vetoed.

Spotify doesn't realize this move is cancelling themselves. I just ended my premium sub to Spotify because of their move.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by gassius »

sofixa wrote: post #334
charlieyu1 wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Government outsourcing censorship to businesses doesn’t make it less wrong.

Was any government involved in any way here?

If the spokewoman that asked spotify to "do more" works in the White House, then yes

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by jdkee »

pschastain wrote: post #355
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

This is not an attack on free speech, this is free market economics at work. Spotify is free to promote and profit from whomever they please, and other creative artists are free to take their work elsewhere. Market demand will determine the outcome. The First Amendment states "Congress shall make no law ..."; it says only what the *gov't* can and cannot do

The White House openly called for private actors to censor speech.

See https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/psaki-big-tech-should-c...

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Sparyjerry »

stevecalifornia wrote: post #199

I am going to call this some kind of technical error. The episodes deleted are so mundane that it's impossible to imagine taking these down but keeping all kinds of horrible music that is explicitly violent, rapey and racist.

Imagine if they removed every song that someone claimed 'demeaned' woman. Hell, just remove every song with the n word, f word, and more. It's actually really surprising Spotify would do this over what.. someone who claimed vaccines were bad? I guess soon all that will be left on Spotify is loves songs and children's songs.

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Post by Spivak »

xdennis wrote: post #270
bachmeier wrote: post #238

Predictably, people break out the C-word. Every business decides what they sell and what they don't. Do they also complain about censorship and shout at the manager of a shoe store for not selling books? Spotify decided they don't want to sell those episodes of JR. That's not censorship, it's business, and it's very different than if it's done by the government.

> Do they also complain about censorship and shout at the manager of a shoe store for not selling books? No. Censorship is the suppression of speech. If you don't sell a book because you don't think it fits your store, or you don't think it's profitable, that's not censorship. But if you refuse to carry a book SPECIFICALLY because you don't like the message, then that IS censorship. Some forms of censorship are illeg…

I really don't know if a HN thread is the place for like an abstract take, but I really dislike these "absolutist" definitions. You take a high-impact, emotionally charged word with a well defined meaning in its cultural context, rip it out of that context, apply the naive detached dictionary definition, and then end run around and shove it back into that high-impact context to your rhetorical benefit, where it would never be used naturally, because it "follows" from the naive definition.

In this case, sure, "censorship" is literally the suppression of speech but it's a much bigger idea than that. It's this huge institutional power dynamic. And so if you want to define it as something smaller where say white people getting in trouble for saying the n word is censorship then that's fine but then the word loses all the impact because if that's what you consider censorship then almost everyone is going to be in favor of it to some degree. It's not this inherently evil dystopian thing anymore. But then rhetorically you rely that fact that impact is "sticky" so when you say "well this thing I don't like is censorship oOoOoOooO and my line of reasoning supports that" you're kind of betting that the reader doesn't take notice that in the universe you've constructed censorship is pretty benign.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by loceng »

afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

You think YouTube would have acted better if Rogan was still posting his full episodes there?

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Post by Sparyjerry »

oliv__ wrote: post #214

I'm growing really tired of this "sanitization" of society, and what views you are/aren't allowed to hold anymore. Love or hate JRE's content, I don't think anything good comes from silencing people

The way TV always had a censor to filter out what was deemed bad, now for no reason at all the same is happening on tech. They assume everyone is a child and they have to be the parent. At the very least they could put an EXPLICIT filter on like they do with songs, because we should all assume once you are 18 you can do a half decent job of deciding what is bullshit for yourself.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by loceng »

tablespoon wrote: post #265
dtemp wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I heard of JRE many years ago, I said to myself, "do I care to hear the endless opinions of the former host of Fear Factor? Nope." And that was that, never even decided to give it a try with so much other potential content available.

> When I heard of JRE many years ago, I said to myself, "do I care to hear the endless opinions of the former host of Fear Factor? Nope." And that was that, never even decided to give it a try with so much other potential content available. And the time commitment. I have a friend who's a big fan and kept pushing me to listen, but I just plain don't have the time to listen to a meandering 3 hour podcast, even if I wa…

So how deeply informed by experts do you gauge that you are if the majority of what you read or hear is short-form? Do you think there's a cost to that that I guess you've decuded or defaulted to being an acceptable level?
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