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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by oxfeed65261 »

yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

Perdue President Mitch Daniels said “Those seeking to deny those rights to others, let alone to collude with foreign governments in repressing them, will need to pursue their education elsewhere,” but there is no indication that the students have been expelled. The statement is bizarre and nonsensical if the students are not expelled.

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Post by zepto »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #363
zepto wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are a large number of bills in US state legislatures aimed at suppressing honest and uncensored discussion of the Tulsa race massacre. Bullshit. There is not one.

Many isn't one so I guess you're right there https://duckduckgo.com/?q=legislature+bill+crt&t=h_&ia=web

As I already said - this just proves you don’t know what CRT is. CRT is not a history curriculum and has nothing to do with the Tulsa Massacre.

If you can find a bill which would outlaw teaching about Tulsa, try presenting it. I don’t think you can.

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Post by nescioquid »

yardie wrote: post #282
Bayesian_bro wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Chinese also don't talk about a lot of the bad things that happened in the great leap forward, which could have a case made that it was worse than slavery.

Is like to see what that case is? Because nothing about the Great Leap I’ve read compares to chattel slavery or the 40% losses of life in the transatlantic slave trade.

The Great Leap famine that killed between 11.6 - 55 million over fours years, compared to the Atlantic slave trade with estimated deaths from 2 - 60 million (over 200 hundred years).[1]

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic...

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by jaclaz »

vesinisa wrote: post #104
jaclaz wrote: post #83

Thanks. Only for the record, the message I get from EU: 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact help@purdueexponent.org or call 765-743-1111. Maybe it…

Can't help seeing the irony that the censored document is a declaration by the publisher about how strongly they are committed to freedom of expression in international context.. CORRECTION: As other have pointed out, the publisher is actually the student newspaper, which is independent from Purdue University itself.

>Can't help seeing the irony that the censored document is a declaration by the publisher about how strongly they are committed to freedom of expression in international context..

Yep, and - also ironically - the root of publisher is the same as public, so you want to make something public but you restrict the access to a whole subset of the public.

Besides that, if they had written (without recurring to http 451[0]) a simple message like:

"We are sorry but we cannot serve this content due to the possible non-compliance of this site with EU Laws (GDPR)"

it would have been (IMHO) much more correct/polite.

I read the message "as is" more like:

Hallo, stupid visitor from Europe, you are denied access to the contents because you voted stupid people that wrote stupid laws that we won't respect.

The page served should be reachable even from non EU countries:

https://www.purdueexponent.org/campus/article_aa3e67de-5de9-...

and it has some interesting html keywords in "base":

[0] the example on Wikipedia is a good one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_451

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Post by bubblethink »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #366
CapitalistCartr wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't some kids bullying another kid. These are adults representing a national government. This is a nation bullying someone inside the United States for exercising free speech. The message needs to be received in Beijing, not merely Indiana.

> adults representing a national government Legally adults, perhaps, but I think we have a social consensus that most college students are kids. Their brains haven't fully developed. If they're coming out of a brainwashed environment, they may never have been explicitly told that this is wrong; they deserve a second chance. > message needs to be received in Beijing, not merely Indiana I agree. My vote would be for a…

>Legally adults, perhaps, but I think we have a social consensus that most college students are kids.

US universities are famously litigious and take a hard line stance when it suits them. See Aaron Swartz. So, I don't buy the 'they are still kids' line. That is, I don't condone it, but I don't agree that universities are motivated by this sort of reasoning.

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Post by 323 »

mmaunder wrote: post #323
Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

Chinas pandemic outcome remains to be seen. Their zero Covid approach may prove increasingly challenging as new variants become more contagious and the rest of the world takes a maintenance approach. I think a centrally controlled society’s IQ is the sum if it’s leaders. A free society’s IQ is the sum of its people. That makes me optimistic about the prospects for the US.

What is the bandwidth of political leaders in US occupied by? If you can have an abortion or not, who can vote and in what conditions, if vaccines are a good thing or a bad thing. Basically issues which were settled 100 years ago in other places.

Meanwhile China built thousands of miles of high-speed train in the last 10 years (while US built basically none), is about to have more navy ships than the US and so on.

https://twitter.com/SpiritofHo/status/1470145473315016704

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Post by wombatpm »

ed312 wrote: post #335
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #300

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> should be only one remedy: imediate expulsion of any agent of repression of the Chinese state There should be the same remedy that is provided to any other bully. These are still kids. There is a learning opportunity. If they refuse to learn, yes, expulsion should be in the cards.

University students are emphatically not kids. The students who are US citizens are legal adults expected to vote an participate in democracy. At what age do you expect them to suddenly "grow up" and be responsible for their actions?

Once they are nominated for the Supreme Court or elected to federal office. Everything else is youthful indiscretions

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Post by 4bpp »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #63

The scale of some Chinese people's commitment to support of their government's chosen narrative against facts is quite impressive / scary. Zealots make great cannon fodder, and the more cannon fodder the higher the chance of winning. It bodes poorly for Hong Kong, Taiwan, and any other country with a coastline along the South China Sea.

Eh, I don't think that this pattern is even remotely a uniquely Chinese thing; this is just how most people react defensively of the country and narrative they identify with when it is seen as threatened by a hostile country. Look into any Reddit thread on the topic of Russia and Ukraine, and you will see the same patterns play out with Americans giving each other backrubs for the most implausible theories imputing cartoonish evil to their geopolitical opponents (these days I quite often see celebrated posts suggesting that the US should withdraw its military protection from the ungrateful Germans which surely will result in Russia invading them), while accusing every disagreeing poster of being personally on the payroll of the Russian propaganda apparatus.

Of course, the situation in Russian popular forums is not better in the slightest, and the relevant patterns of conspiratorial thinking are reproduced at even the smallest of scales all the time. It has become a bit of a trope on 4chan that some contingent of posters will, if more than one post disagrees with their viewpoint, immediately claim that the two posts were actually made by the same person sockpuppeting; and last time I checked the recurring threads for some video games I play (still among the best sources for real-time information and gossip about updates and what-not...), they were all getting torn apart by mutual accusations of off-site conspiracies (usually on Discord) to push some viewpoint or meme or another.

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Post by zepto »

hoppyhoppy2 wrote: post #370
zepto wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CRT has nothing to do with teaching history.

The parent commenter was referring to "the CRT brouhaha" (how the broader issue is playing out in the real world, not just what the academic term "critical race theory" does or doesn't refer to). The brouhaha is affecting how history is taught in at least some places. https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/01/us/texas-critical-race-theory... https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/07/02/why-are-sta... https://time.com/607519…

Sure - but CRT has nothing to do with teaching history.

I don’t support banning it, but even if someone did, that has noting to do with preventing people talking about Tulsa even in schools.

Please stop making this absurd link. There is simply nothing comparable to what the Chinese are doing over Tiananmen.

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