I tried to monitor services status using https://stop.lying.cloud , but they are also hosted to AWS, and down too.
I mean, sounds like it's working as intended then?
Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again
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#382HOST THE GODDAMN STATUS PAGE ON AZURE FOR FUCKS SAKE. There is zero excuse for this shit. Be professional. Acknowledge reality. It is logically impossible to run your own status page. Trying to do so just wastes everyone else on the internet's time when you have an outage.
They should automatically update as well. Currently it is a static "all green" page and might be manually changed if a managet would give his go. Insane.
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#383Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Then I realized that I don't know how to build the systems that I was relying on for my supposed superiority, or even how some of them work. I used to have this joke(?) with my friends: remember Mark Twain's "A Connecticut Yankee in King's Arthur Court"? The titular Yankee basically upends the (faux) medieval society he gets transported to, "inventing" all sorts of technological miracles. Well, I'm a software devel…
Do i have the T-shirt for you: https://topatoco.com/products/qw-cheatsheet And the T-shirt's companion bandana and spin-off book: https://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/a23286104/how-to-in...
This shirt annoys me. I get that it is a joke, but the explanations are just so woefully over-simplified, and don't get at the main problem -- materials and manufacturing technology in the past was poor enough that even if you knew the basic physics you'd have no chance of getting, like, material to build a wing out of.
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#384That's the price of PIP culture and burning out your devs. Now noone wants to work at Amazon and they can only hire new grads.
I hear they do get people who want to be able to get experience at AWS's scale, there's only a few places for that.
The thing that really gets me is the reports from the last major outage a few days ago about how pervasive lying inside the company is. This really doesn't work well for engineering and we're possibly seeing the results of that. We should certainly expect to see that becoming visible the more time goes on without a major cultural shift. Which given that the guy who ran AWS now runs all of Amazon.com....
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#385Is it AWS or could it be an ISP? AWS seems to be working for me, but I’ve worked with clients in the US and spectrum internet tended to drop connections to us sporadically, which looks like an outage to our clients but is something we obviously can’t control.
Things were working during the event, but connectivity was pretty messed up
(This is two similarly spec'd boxes on us-east-2 and us-west-2). Looking at GeoIP of connecting clients, the only pattern I can see is the region itself.
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#386Asking as a non-cloud-developer: why would Crunchyroll's recovery [0] lag so much behind AWS's recovery [1]? [0] https://downdetector.com/status/crunchyroll/ [1] https://downdetector.com/status/aws-amazon-web-services/
I don't know for sure, but this is generally common because caches get cold. A lot of websites use a cache in front of databases (or template rendering engines, or many other systems). That cache might evict entries based on time - after 5 minutes, the entry is considered invalid. But that means that if you have no traffic for 10 minutes, the cache completely empties. Then when traffic returns, it all skips the cache…
I'm accustomed with cache-eviction policies based on LRU, age, etc. But in my systems, eviction happens only when (a) the content is known to be invalid, or (b) there's competition for cache space.
IIUC the parent comment, it's describing a policy that evicts entries even (a) and (b) are false. Is that common in the web-hosting / CDN world? Or is age considered a proxy for stale?
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#387Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again
#388Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think GP has a point with, >Or will smaller players go from single-AZ to more expensive multi-AZ?
No -- if they needed to they already would have migrated to a multi-region. If they don't need it -- they won't have. The reason is simple -- it's expensive as you say. I'm not a fanboi or evangelist of AWS either -- I do have pet theories they named their products with shit names in order to make more money by making AWS skills less transferable to Google Cloud etc. S3 should be Amazon FTP, RDS should be Amazon SQL…
> S3 should be Amazon FTP
I... don't think you know what S3 is. Or maybe what FTP is.
(Also S3, EC2, RDS, etc. were named long before GCP had competing services)
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#389They really need to stop requiring SVPs or higher to show non-green status on the status page, as other HNers have revealed in last week's AWS post. It's effectively not a status page, and they could probably be sued if it can be demonstrated that X service was down but the status page showed green (since the SLA is based on status page). Should be automated and based on sample deployments running in every region and…
I think SVP / GM approval is only needed for yellow / red status. From my time in AWS Support, the Support Oncall and Call Leader / GM delegate worked to approve green-i posts.
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#390Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is nobody who exists who would be able to recreate a modern computer from scratch.
When you say 'modern' do you mean with photolithography?
Yes, I do, keeping with the spirit of re-building the metaphorical "baths" of modern civilization.
But even if I didn't mean that, there still is nobody who could do it.