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Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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Nice job author :-) > You secretly guess that the group is sustained by a minority of true believers who make up critical mass for a larger group of people you, but you never talk about this and neither does anyone else. When you have kids, you feel weird about explaining your thoughts about all this to them, but you don’t parrot back what the religion says when you’re talking about the meaning of life either. Bahaha…

> I've been in cult leadership

Um, wow. Do you want to talk about that, or have you written about it elsewhere? No shade if you don't, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be interested.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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Consider that causing 1% of the group's population to die might not weaken the group and in fact might make the group stronger.

He’s effectively describing Trump’s leaked plan to let covid ravage blue urban areas before the election, but here framing it as a liberal plot as a narrative device Maybe he’s a Republican astroturfer Someone just learned the root language of real human economics taught to us as abstractions through story and pie chart.

Alternatively, maybe he's a Democratic astroturfer using reverse reverse psychology to convince holdouts to go get vaccinated.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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> Capitalism is when there is an owner class that owns the means of production and extracts profit from the workers' labor. That's Marx's explanation, all right. What free markets are, is when people freely decide to make transactions with each other, without using force or fraud. The simplest case is you have an apple tree, I have an orange tree. You have too many apples, and no oranges. I have the reverse problem.…

But we don't "have" trees. Owning a tree is dependent on a highly abstract concept of ownership, enforced by an organized state that monopolizes the use of force. Saying a transaction is without force or fraud is only begging the question. If it is legal, and someone thinks it is illegitimate, then it logically involves both fraud and force from their perspective. It was fraud to write the rules down, and it is force…

It's a little too easy to dismiss arguments by trying to redirect it into a debate about what words mean.

You and I both know what the terms mean.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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If you're out on a trail, where your environment is the trail, and your compadres are your compadres, sure talk to them. You have shared goals, your adversity comes from the non-sentient or sub-human sentient environment. Truth is clarity, clarity is action, action is goal.

But then you're not out on a trail, your environment is other people, and your compadres are transient. You need to have a public face, a policy for your sentient environment. And you want to save the truth and clarity for when you have a thing to do with someone that shares your goals. Obfuscation leads to non-interference, leads to less adversity, smoother action, closer goal.

There are many levels and gradations to this. Push it too hard for the situation at hand, and you get confusion that leads to demoralization, and mass hysteria that drives harmful public policy.

First we farm the land, then we domesticate the animals, then we govern the people. The toolkit is the same toolkit.

At any given time some people are your land, some are your animals, and some are your compadres or adversaries. You don't owe any truth to your enemy, nor your sentient environment.

This is indeed very difficult if you're high in openness, but that's how it was before you got here and it keeps on rolling like that. There was no reason it should change, so it didn't.

It's not like deception came into disuse at any point. Lying is what it is, human. Part of the way communities work, and social dynamics develop.

What was the point of the article? Acceptance?

That's an individual thing. A situational thing. You shouldn't just roll with deception, but you should expect it everywhere.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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This ^. If the shots are truly protective, I don't understand what the hubbub is all about. Is it really all about protecting those who truly can't get the shot for whatever reason? I doubt it.

Yes, broadly speaking. That is the principle of herd immunity. We managed to eradicate smallpox with mandatory vaccination programs without all this political fuss.

Smallpox was way, way worse than Covid. If Covid were killing and permanently disfiguring children en masse, you can be sure there would be no resistance to the vaccine.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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> Capitalism is when there is an owner class that owns the means of production and extracts profit from the workers' labor. That's Marx's explanation, all right. What free markets are, is when people freely decide to make transactions with each other, without using force or fraud. The simplest case is you have an apple tree, I have an orange tree. You have too many apples, and no oranges. I have the reverse problem.…

You're still comingling the concepts of capitalism and markets. I actually 100% agree with your entire post (as a description, anyway, not as an ideal or with respect to the conceptual foundations of property rights), but is in no way a refutation of what I said or what Marx said. It's somewhat tangential entirely, really. EDIT: Also, I wouldn't use the word "exploit" in such a simple descriptor of commerce.

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Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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I don't know, most people like to at least have the illusion of making their own choices.

The most highly approved of DMs do tend to be good at concealing the railroad tracks...

I was trying to scroll through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DM but couldn't find anything fitting... Am I too old or two young or too out of touch? :D

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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>I've tried to explain this to people, and I've been met with blank stares from even the most intelligent folks. That's definitely an experience I've had with similar topics. I particularly remember talking to a friend who I generally respect and admire about something that isn't socially acceptable for no obvious reason, and upon explaining my thoughts and asking what the deal was with it, they completely shut down…

>...about something that isn't socially acceptable for no obvious reason... What was the thing?

Being a furry. It seems like they get a lot of shit for no good reason.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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I don't know if its related, but I think of taxes. It may be rational for one person to not pay taxes, but if everyone was "rational" it would be disastrous for society. > (In my mind Hayek is the person most associated with distributed knowledge.) Why do you say that? What does it mean? I think of the internet, but not a person, I always thought of him as a free market economist. When I think of individual and socie…

I think you are talking about the problem of Collective Action and the Free Rider problem... I think they are a little different, because those are situations about needing to cooperate for the best outcome, but having no way to enforce cooperation while having individual incentives to not cooperate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-rider_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_action_problem

Yes that is it! Thanks!
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