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Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by lmilcin »

exBarrelSpoiler wrote: post #356
Aeolos wrote: post #348

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I wanted to say that this echoes my experience perfectly. After interviewing several hundreds of people, two surprising things stood out: - a large percentage of technical applicants cannot program even in languages where they claim multiple years of work experience - this holds true for non-technical applicants too I think this is a combination of poor applicants being overrepresented in the applicant pool (good one…

But then how do these applicants manage to amass experience they claim to have? Massive lying and resume inflation? Performance anxiety leading to bombing interviews? Maybe the roles they were in didn’t actually require as much programming, or deep understanding of programming as people would expect? It could just be that a massive amount of work in the software industry is really code monkey work. “Gluing together A…

In almost every industry the bottom is subject to shifts while the top with most ability and experience tends to be secure in their jobs.

If the industry shifts needing less developers (for whatever reason), companies will just set higher expectations when hiring meaning a lot of people will not be able to find a job.

But I don't think this happens. Copilot is not going to solve development problems same way stack exchange and google did not. We got google and se and number of developers only grew.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by zrail »

fortran77 wrote: post #202
thawSeh6s2p wrote: post #149

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> Loads of people become nurses and teachers because they want to help people, even though they don't get paid much I know it's not the primary point of the post, but define "much". An RN makes around 80k on average, they're also hourly and can generally pick up overtime whenever they want. Nurse anesthetists make double that at minimum, practitioners are north of 120k. It may not be as much as a FAANG position but I…

Schoolteacher pensions in CA are worth millions, and they’re not taxed on the imputed value of this wealth. Also in CA they qualify for BMR housing, another untaxed benefit. And in CA they don’t pay SS tax.

> they don't pay SS tax

This isn't really a benefit. Public employees with access to a state pension generally don't pay into SS because their state pension is is lieu of social security. They pay into the pension instead and have to hope it exists in the future, which for many states is significantly riskier than relying on federal social security.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by zrail »

romanhn wrote: post #327
varjag wrote: post #63

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I assume they genuinely struggle with recruiting. Getting cold recruiting mails from FB lately despite being on the wrong continent. They must be scraping the bottom.

It's funny, coming to Facebook from startups I thought I'd no longer deal with recruiting pipeline challenges. It surprised the hell out of me to see how much FB struggled with hiring senior engineers. The stupid hard interviews did a fantastic job of keeping experienced folks away, so the offices felt like college grounds (I don't mean to say this was done intentionally, they really did want tons of senior talent, b…

Personally, as a senior engineer with a decade and a half of experience I dropped out of the Facebook process once I learned how it worked. I have much better things to do than stress about optimally solving two LC mediums in 40 minutes without being able to compile the code.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

romanhn wrote: post #327
varjag wrote: post #63

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I assume they genuinely struggle with recruiting. Getting cold recruiting mails from FB lately despite being on the wrong continent. They must be scraping the bottom.

It's funny, coming to Facebook from startups I thought I'd no longer deal with recruiting pipeline challenges. It surprised the hell out of me to see how much FB struggled with hiring senior engineers. The stupid hard interviews did a fantastic job of keeping experienced folks away, so the offices felt like college grounds (I don't mean to say this was done intentionally, they really did want tons of senior talent, b…

>I don't mean to say this was done intentionally

I'm not so sure about that. Zuckerberg is on record saying old people just aren't as smart.

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throwawaythekey wrote: post #342
Gentil wrote: post #93

I don't have much data points to share. But I've been seeing responses to people working FB have been horrible since for a while now. It has been a common trend that when someone I know posts a job position in FB, nobody replies to it. At least not publicly (publicly means replying to tweet, replying to slack message in a well knit/known group of people). Even if they are replying personally and privately, that in it…

FB might have some negatives to society as a whole but there are also some positives (besides being able to talk to your family). The ad product has enabled a whole new generation of entrepreneurs. I really can't understate how pivotal facebook has been -> because they know so much about you the targeting can be REALLY REALLY effective. For many products the traditional competitors like google can't even come close.…

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Post by esyir »

varispeed wrote: post #367
smnscu wrote: post #247

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I've been doing Karat interviews for about three years and it's been incredible for my mental health. The work is extremely flexible and there is nothing to worry about when you're not working (I dread deadlines and I'm neurotic enough to never manage a good WLB at a regular SWE gig). The compensation is also pretty good. Apply on their website if interested ( https://karat.com/ ) or hit me up at my username at googl…

"Build global technical talent acquisition operations" Why they think this dehumanising language is okay? It reeks of modern slavery.

Highly paid tech workers complain about their "slavery".

I doth think you should see what a slave's life actually was.

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Post by mellavora »

echelon wrote: post #38
fallingknife wrote: post #29

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That's just not true (well the clusterfuck part is). Big tech dominates the top of the list for most well regarded brands. https://fortune.com/worlds-most-admired-companies/ https://morningconsult.com/most-loved-brands-2020/

Startups stepping into the unicorn status territory are a much better bet. Their stock grants have value since the companies are getting closer to exit, and there's a real chance that the stock will 10-100X. Your four year vest of $250k could be worth $2.5M - $25M in the future. These are the best jobs. They can be extremely lucrative, and the work is exciting and palpable. Scaling a company to the point of IPO is fu…

If you can find one... I might be one of the lucky few who has (ask me in 1.5 years), but I've seen many promising startups fail.

I'm seriously considering moving to FANG for perceived stability and income. Stock which might 10x vs stock which at least has a market value.

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Post by varjag »

paganel wrote: post #339
varjag wrote: post #63

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I assume they genuinely struggle with recruiting. Getting cold recruiting mails from FB lately despite being on the wrong continent. They must be scraping the bottom.

> on the wrong continent. Afiak they're about to open (extend?) a new office in London, not sure if that's related or not. When one of my friends told me that (he works for a FAANG company) I had a similar reaction to yours: "Where are they going to get the people for that in this market?"

I'm not an operations guy, and from what I know development is concentrated in the States.

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Post by varjag »

cebert wrote: post #273
varjag wrote: post #63

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I assume they genuinely struggle with recruiting. Getting cold recruiting mails from FB lately despite being on the wrong continent. They must be scraping the bottom.

Even though a lot of FAANG (or MANGA) companies are in need of tech talent, good luck getting in unless you have some serious time to allocate to studying Leetcode problems. While this time investment will help you get in the door to such places, it's unlikely to make you a better programmer or help you at all in your current role.

I'm aware, but that's not really what keeps me from working at FB.

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Post by ethbr0 »

crate_barre wrote: post #252
ethbr0 wrote: post #233

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I had a guy pitch me on Comcast's tech office once. He said you get to work on cool stuff, but it never actually gets deployed. And that everyone hates your employer, but you'll never get fired. I definitely see how "work on cool stuff" + "don't worry about getting fired" could be pretty cool, if you don't have any investment in really creating things that are used.

That value proposition of stability is a high for those that have a life outside of work. Why does a typical engineer optimize for leetcode and FAANG salaries? Because they have shit else to establish self respect.

That seems unnecessarily harsh.

I've known a lot of people who have a thriving life outside of work, but are also very driven and value their work highly.

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