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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by ep103 »

trts wrote: post #296

The dislike button on YouTube videos is one of the few remaining signals that what you are seeing is propaganda. It hadn't occurred to me that this would happen (although it seems obvious) and it is unexpectedly frightening to me. I suppose the fallback will be videos with comments enabled, where people can 'like' a comment who is saying something common sense and reasonable in response to the content.

Reddit did this same thing, for the same reason. Can't have people disliking an advertisement posed as a submission! that would hurt Reddit's appeal to advertisers.

This was one of the major inflection points for worsening quality of content on reddit, and it will be for Youtube too. For exactly the reason you've described.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by teitoklien »

I guess now , I’ll just consider views to like ratio as a new form of hinting at dislike

Overall , this is a pretty bad move, If a creator feels harassed by dislikes , they should use it as a way of learning to grow thick skin, They need it anyways as public professionals.

Instead what now went away, is information on how others in a community reacted to a video or content,

Dislikes have always been a great way to detect misinformation or incorrect content or atleast give a hint that a topic needs more researching.

Now, someone who’s new to all of this, Will see a youtube video on cleaning their desktop and wont understand why,

Running “sudo rm -rf —no-preserve-root /“ Is a very bad idea ....

(Pls dont run this command on your computer)

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by bequanna »

> We’ve also heard directly from smaller creators, and those just getting started with their YouTube channel, that they are unfairly targeted by dislike attacks

Wow. Well, the politically motivated truth behind this change is pretty darn obvious, right?

If you're confused what I mean, check any US mainstream media video with an obvious political slant but pretending to be "objective news" and look at the like/dislike ratio. The system is totally working...except it isn't working out well for the political party that YT would prefer.

The more striking thing to me is how little effort they put into the cover excuse. IMO this just shows they don't really care about the optics of censoring speech or letting users flag propaganda. Quite brazen.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by Jensson »

VanillaCafe wrote: post #287

Hilarious the visceral response here to the apparent and inevitable decline of YouTube content quality with the removal of a dislike count -- when Hacker News itself doesn't show a down vote count nor even a down vote button for a large portion of its population.

If youtube gradually greyed out videos everywhere in the UI if they got a lot of dislikes instead of the current count then I don't think people would mind as much. But then dislike bombing would probably get even worse than now since greying out the content is a much more powerful signal to users.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by bellyfullofbac »

spurgu wrote: post #367
qwertox wrote: post #4

Hmm. For me the dislike button was informative. If feels like they are trying to create a world where everything can only be good, better, even more better, which just doesn't represent reality. Imagine Stack Overflow only having the option to upvote Questions and Answers. The ratio of likes vs dislikes of a TED talk does help me to decide if I should stop watching a video which just isn't getting better.

Yup. If I'm watching a positive review of a [insert-object] I'm planning on buying and it has 10k likes visible while hiding 2k dislikes I'm probably going to get horribly misled. While if it's a video of a political debate I would expect there to be a ton of dislikes by default, so I suppose it wouldn't matter much in that scenario. And in howto/explanation-videos, if dislikes aren't shown, there's no signal for peo…

I guess we can make our own standard, someone should comment something like "This video is garbage." or simply "Dislike" and the amount of thumbs up on that comment can be taken as video dislikes.

I sometimes look for obscure how-to's, and I get garbage videos not even answering the question. If YouTube can get rid of all that garbage, then not having a dislike button is fine.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by dang »

jonas21 wrote: post #354
qwertox wrote: post #4

Hmm. For me the dislike button was informative. If feels like they are trying to create a world where everything can only be good, better, even more better, which just doesn't represent reality. Imagine Stack Overflow only having the option to upvote Questions and Answers. The ratio of likes vs dislikes of a TED talk does help me to decide if I should stop watching a video which just isn't getting better.

Imagine a News site for Hackers that only had the option to upvote stories. How horrible would that be?!

I assume this is sarcastic but flags on stories are a significant option.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by pjmlp »

qwertox wrote: post #4

Hmm. For me the dislike button was informative. If feels like they are trying to create a world where everything can only be good, better, even more better, which just doesn't represent reality. Imagine Stack Overflow only having the option to upvote Questions and Answers. The ratio of likes vs dislikes of a TED talk does help me to decide if I should stop watching a video which just isn't getting better.

I really don't get this modern culture of positiveness, people cannot take a negative remark of any kind, kids should not play with anything that can hurt themselves, we are forbidden to say anything that can be interpreted in a negative way,...
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