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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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I am a big fan of 1password. I was very unhappy with the transition to subscription only, and tried bitwarden. After months of futzing around with it, I went back to 1password. I did so after reviewing their audit results, awhat they documented about their architecture, and after they added great support for Linux. At the end of the day, not everything is a conspiracy - and their model appears to be incredibly secure…

Edit: not Dashlane either ;)

Source: I work there :)

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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> Users don't desire to have the same UI across different OS environments Um, speak for yourself. I personally don't like having the docs showcase completely different UIs to the one I'm using. I also like having an app i can run on Linux, which has been happening a lot more since Electron became a thing (no sane company wants to write apps in GTK, and much as Qt is a great toolkit it requires expertise most SaaS ven…

What percentage of users will be using the app across multiple operating systems and notice and prefer having a consistent interface?

Anecdote, but, my workstation is Linux, my work laptop is macOS, my personal computer is Windows where I run Linux VMs. I run 1Password across all these operating systems. Having a consistent interface is nice and it means I don't have to relearn the UI three times.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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> $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. I’m glad you find it affordable but these nickle and dime things add up. Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. I feel like these small, “affordable,” services are just whittling away the Unix philosophy of do one small thing well. Layering on unnecessary crap just to charge a fee eventually comes home to roost. Also, password…

> Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. What is the competition that costs $0? Bitwarden is $3.33/mo for equivalent functionality to the $4.99/mo plan from 1Password.

Keepass is zero.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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post #365

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KeePass ( https://keepass.info/ ) with something like Nextcloud ( https://nextcloud.com/ ) or any other solution for syncing password databases across devices. Let's Encrypt SSL/TLS certificates are free, as is Apache/Nginx/Caddy to reverse proxy Nextcloud or any other solution (if a web based interface is needed). You might also need something like ngrok ( https://ngrok.com/ ) for publically accessing the instance i…

This reads like that notorious HN comment about it being trivially easy to roll your own Dropbox. Our time has value. Good UI has value. How much time is saved by just using a service like 1Password versus the design, setup, maintenance, and ongoing use of a system like you suggest with all those individual pieces?

so getting to know how to do things by yourself is a waste of time?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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I recently cancelled Evernote after 12 years of paying for it due to their new Electron client. I've been using 1Password since 2008 and I'll be doing the same thing. I have tolerated the UI regressions and even subscription with version 7, but Electron is just unacceptable for what was once an amazing Mac app that put Apple's apps to shame.

Oh so THAT'S why the Evernote update sucks. The Android client is terrible, it dumps me to the useless Home whenever I scroll to the bottom. It's now unusable. I've begun transitioning to Notion because of it.

Notion's also electron :) Probably a lot better developed though

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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post #351

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Yeah, sure, ok. Electron is a tool. It can be used well. It can be used poorly. Any tool shares the same issues. I can write a shit native app and I can write a shit Electron app. All Electron does is lower the barrier of entry to making an app and making it work cross-platform.

The problem is even the best examples of Electron apps aren't great and use far more resources than a native counterpart would. VS Code is an example of Electron being "used well". I still find myself using other apps because they're more responsive. That tells me that Electron is inherently making the app experience worse, despite being used well I understand the 'why' of electron, I am just not happy with the resul…

I would argue that in general, having a lower barrier of entry to software engineering is a good thing, especially for attracting people that might not have otherwise considered it.

Someone wants to build a 5 minute app for themselves and Electron happens to be the easiest way to do it? Go for it, there's nothing stopping them. If that app happens to be useful enough for others to use it, even better, that person just solved what could have potentially been a big deal for that user.

If the people using the app are content with the features/quality and the resources it uses, why does it matter so much, especially to a third party like armchair engineers on HN, if it was built natively, on Electron, or CrappierFrameworkThatWillEventuallyReplaceElectron?

If the app isn't usable by you (and this is a general you, not specifically directed at you), then the answer is simple: don't use it. Nobody is forcing you to use Electron or any app built with it if you don't want to.

If as a user your needs are not met, whether that's due to sluggishness from Electron, incompatibility from having a native-only solution, whathaveyou, then all you really have to do is wait. A competitor will come and take its place eventually; that's what the market is there for.

So far, it seems like VS Code is more than meeting its users' needs, but like I said above, other alternatives exist and will continue to exist, and they're all great if VS Code doesn't work for your particular use.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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post #296

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But how can you justify removing the ability to have a local vault? Why would anyone think for a second that it would be a good idea to force people to store every password for everything in their life in your cloud without an opt out? That, even more than Electron and the subscription model (both which do bother me), is an absolutely deal breaker. I've paid for every version of 1Password since v3 in 2009, but I'm do…

The original article goes into great detail as to why we're moving away from local vaults. That being said, we are looking into gauging user interest in self-hosting. Please take a look at our survey [1] if you want to share your thoughts. Hope that helps! [1] https://survey.1password.com/self-host/

I don't want self-hosted, and I definitely don't want subscription based. I, 1Password user for many years, want the local vaults!

1Password 6 is great, and I'll keep using it until it quits working on my devices, but no more after that! I used to recommend 1Password so much to people it was borderline evangelizing, but I quit recommending it once the subscription was pushed over the other options, and now that local vaults are going away I'm actively recommending against it to anyone that asks.

Guess I'll be moving to Bitwarden or Keepass myself; time to research!

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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I subscribed because I had to. I have no time to follow the last changes of a company and its app.

The current app is already bloated by features I don’t use, so I hoped for another evolution of this software.

(i also don’t like the web platform with all those emoji and cheesy design)

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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I was reading through the comments wondering why so many technically capable people are paying for a password store service when passwordstore works nicely in the space and gives you some comfort in knowing how it works. I highly recommend pass. My set up is as follows: - setup the key, share the private key to other devices who are going to use the same pass store; - use syncthing to sync my passwords between device…

I really wish they'd offer other encryption backends than gpg. GPG is pretty long in the tooth. I never have problems with pass, all my problems are with gpg.

What, specifically, is your problem with gpg?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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I haven't had a single bad experience with Bitwarden. I even pay for it now and still run it locally just to support them. Highly recommended if you don't want to be forced into 1Password's service.

I moved to Bitwarden from Lastpass also, and I'm definitely happy for the most part. The chrome extension leaves a tiny bit to be desired, but definitely still usable: * Not as good about determining correct sign-in URL and lots of times will send me through the auth redirect from registration * Launching sites without mouse isn't possible (shortcut exists to open extension but can't select site to launch it using ar…

One other thing I do not like about BW (but not enough to switch) is that when you click out of the bitwarden window, it disappears and loses your place so you have to navigate to the secret again. Kind of annoying if you are on a website that resists autofill or want to copy something from custom fields.
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