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iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by judge2020 »

Spivak wrote: post #308
daemoon wrote: post #130

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> How ridiculous is that! Not as ridiculous as being well aware of the limitations of iPhones wrt to installing applications outside of App Store and still buying one. People should vote with their wallets. Me personally I do not mind the limitations, but if you do - don't buy it.

The phrase "vote with your wallets" should just be eliminated because it's completely meaningless. You're asking to "just" coordinate millions of people to do some collective action or to change their behavior. Do you know what the tool for doing that is called? Government. Vote with your actual votes.

Vote with your wallet works in that, if someone made an undesirable product when right next to it at the Best Buy is a superior product, the inferior product sells zero units and thus the company loses millions or billions of dollars in sales. If both of those products suck, then why would consumers buy them and Best Buy stock them? Or is it that both of those products are invaluable and some people are just mad that the products have certain features (security restrictions) which they don't want.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by judge2020 »

gurleen_s wrote: post #217
the_dune_13 wrote: post #198

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Or states demanding yearly inspections if your car is up to safety standard and your modification didn't make it more dangerous / unlhealthy for the public. Absolutely ridiculous.

I don’t see how these two things are in any way related. If your car is unsafe, you could kill someone. If you sideload an app on your phone, that only affects you. There’s a line we must all draw between personal freedom and the right of others to also be free when you decide to live in a society with other people.

If this happens, maybe the device should become unsellable since you could sideload unremovable adware and then sell it to an unknowing buyer.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by judge2020 »

orangecat wrote: post #293
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #157

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Imagine for a moment you're an Apple exec who gets to see real usage numbers and revenue numbers per platform and is on board with the current company belief system. You see MacOS devices completely dwarfed in both users and profit per user by iOS devices. As that executive, who keep in mind probably doesn't share your opinions on open technology or they would never have got into that position. What decisions would y…

Exactly. Apple executives threw macOS under the bus in the Epic trial, saying that its capability to run arbitrary software makes it unacceptably insecure (e.g. https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22444353/mac-malware-not-... ). It shouldn't surprise anyone if a future macOS version requires a paid developer certificate to run unapproved apps or access the Unix layer.

MacOS is indeed unacceptably insecure. Imagine someone downloads FortniteForMac.app (as in, a fake Fortnite for MacOS download since it's not available except on Windows right now) - that can lead to a keylogger and clipboard watcher beaming your data to some foreign data lake, where it'll soon be used to sign into your Bank (proxying requests to your computer to appear less suspicious, of course).

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by judge2020 »

rchaud wrote: post #361
benhurmarcel wrote: post #339

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There’s a lot of criticize Apple for, but they are among the best in the industry for supporting old mobile phones.

Apple giveth: firmware updates for 5 year old phones Apple taketh away: "Apple on Wednesday agreed to pay $113 million to settle consumer fraud lawsuits brought by more than 30 states over allegations that it secretly slowed down old iPhones, a controversy that became known as "batterygate. Apple first denied that it purposely slowed down iPhone batteries, then said it did so to preserve battery life amid widespread…

As stated in the other comment, old batteries often physically couldn't handle the voltages required to run at peak performance, so if iPhone detected these conditions, it would temper those peaks so that the phones would stop randomly turning off for people. The issue was that they didn't tell affected device owners that this was happening, and now they do in Settings.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by judge2020 »

rchaud wrote: post #362
fab1an wrote: post #172

I feel that Apple solve the problem of freedom vs security quite well on Mac: you can download and run whatever software you want, but there's a sort of "Captcha" involved (where you need to right-click + open to run software from non-registered devs). This prevents mom and dad from installing a bunch of Spyware, but let's me run obscure and cool apps by indie developers as I please.

They wouldn't ever do that on iOS because it would 'add friction'. Apple makes money off the App Store. They want users to head to the App Store for everything. Developers also want you using their apps, because they can track you better than they could on a website with content and tracking blockers. It's not the same on MacOS because users aren't going around looking for new apps to install. People install their co…

> Apple makes money off the App Store.

Yes. That's part of their profit margin. Just as how the PS5 literally sells for less than it costs to make the console[0], Apple doesn't realize all of their profits from iPhone sales until after purchase where they expect a certain dollar figure from their customers to be spend on either their subscription services or via the 30% app store cut.

This is also happening in VR, by the way - the Valve Index is still the top but the Oculus Quest 2 is insanely close to matching the Index in experience, and that's all thanks to how Facebook literally sells that at a loss of $400, since they want $800 for a version without (1) Ads and (2) their cut from Oculus store sales[1].

> It's not the same on MacOS

Exactly, and I think the pricing difference of these devices reflects that (despite the main cost centers, being manufacturing tooling and labor, having largely similar costs for both). If the iOS landscape turned into the MacOS landscape overnight, we'd see a similar jump in cost for the phone thanks to the lost post-sale revenue.

0: https://www.gamesradar.com/ps5-is-being-sold-at-a-loss-but-h...

1: https://i.judge.sh/imperturbable/Mint/TuPfZ65njJ.png ( https://business.oculus.com/products/#:~:text=Oculus%20for%2... )

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by hajile »

judge2020 wrote: post #381
Spivak wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The phrase "vote with your wallets" should just be eliminated because it's completely meaningless. You're asking to "just" coordinate millions of people to do some collective action or to change their behavior. Do you know what the tool for doing that is called? Government. Vote with your actual votes.

Vote with your wallet works in that, if someone made an undesirable product when right next to it at the Best Buy is a superior product, the inferior product sells zero units and thus the company loses millions or billions of dollars in sales. If both of those products suck, then why would consumers buy them and Best Buy stock them? Or is it that both of those products are invaluable and some people are just mad that…

Can you make an iPhone, just without Apple?

Nope

Their designs are protected at the point of a gun through patents and copyrights. Breaking those literally means the police will use force to stop you and to ruin and imprison you.

Take away these restrictions and you’d see an identical iPhone, but without Apple’s restrictions. I bet that phone would sell millions. That would actually allow voting with your wallet to be real.

Since the government enables these behaviors, it is also the only one who can actually reign them in. Unless these nearly perpetual lock-ins stop, voting with your wallet is impossible.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by judge2020 »

hajile wrote: post #386
judge2020 wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vote with your wallet works in that, if someone made an undesirable product when right next to it at the Best Buy is a superior product, the inferior product sells zero units and thus the company loses millions or billions of dollars in sales. If both of those products suck, then why would consumers buy them and Best Buy stock them? Or is it that both of those products are invaluable and some people are just mad that…

Can you make an iPhone, just without Apple? Nope Their designs are protected at the point of a gun through patents and copyrights. Breaking those literally means the police will use force to stop you and to ruin and imprison you. Take away these restrictions and you’d see an identical iPhone, but without Apple’s restrictions. I bet that phone would sell millions. That would actually allow voting with your wallet to b…

So you want the result of Apple's tens of billions of dollars of hardware R&D, but without paying them for it.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by boring_twenties »

vanchor3 wrote: post #324
cronix wrote: post #306

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Great, if a work phone is required by a company, let the company provide it and leave that one alone. Do you have to supply your own work computers or other equipment "required" to do the job as well, outside of contract work?

Unfortunately that assumes the employer will provide the phone rather than going "this guy can't do his job because his phone is rooted?" and hiring someone else. Or that the employer knows what rooting even is.

So the absolute worst case scenario then is you buy your own second phone for $50-150 and use that for work purposes only.

Still sucks of course, but a far cry from the false dichotomy of "submit to Apple/Google rule or lose your job."

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by boring_twenties »

EvanDotPro wrote: post #299
bpye wrote: post #292

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I’ve tried that path before but SafetyNet makes it hard. I can’t use my banking app for example, and for better or for worse, I wouldn’t be able to access my work email either.

I haven't looked in a while, but last time I checked, Magisk had a SafetyNet bypass. It's a cat and mouse game of course, but when I was using it, Magisk stayed ahead of Google 90%+ of the time.

So about that... the developer of Magisk has been employed by Google since about 2 months ago: https://www.xda-developers.com/magisk-developer-topjohnwu-le...

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by wingmanjd »

NmAmDa wrote: post #317
wingmanjd wrote: post #276

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I love FF on Android (it's my primary browser there), but there is a serious limitation on what extensions can be installed now. I think you're limited to only a certain curated list of like 12 extensions. Thankfully, uBlock is one of them, but I miss some of my others.

You can install firefox beta or nightly and use developer tools access to add extension collection from your choice which will replace these recommended extensions. Note : you must create this collection on firefox addon or find existing one as you will need the collection ID.

Oh, that's right! I had totally forgotten about that method.
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