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Post by drw85 »

KaiserPro wrote: post #346
Bayart wrote: post #233

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>we should expect and accept that people are violent to them? Accept no, expect absolutely. Which is why boundaries and control mechanisms are needed, the removal of which is the entire premise of OnlyFans. >I mean, chat shows are pretty much the same thing, an illusion of a social relationship, but we don't accept stalkers on those platforms? Are you referring to Twitch ? That's not the same thing, at all. Sex isn't…

> Are you referring to Twitch I wasn't directly. Twitch is just another broadcast medium. The only thing that's different is that its normally private, so young teens/adults can view the stream without the parents being aware. What is perplexing to me is that in our[1] society, public violence against women is almost never accepted. Men are shamed[2] and hung out to dry for doing it(if they are caught) but we as a cu…

The divide between online and offline is fairly simple.

Online you're not in a physical space with other people that can punch you or confront or arrest you.

Sadly for many humans, that immediately sucks all the accountybility and responsibility and human decency out of the equation.

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Post by dogorman »

underseacables wrote: post #378

What I think it’s going to be more interesting is the personal responsibility aspect. In ten or fifteen years from now, when only fans content starts coming up as these folks are applying for regular jobs in the workforce, pursuing political office, etc. I expect many will claim that they were groomed and forced to do it. That is to say, I don’t think young people today really appreciate what they are doing and how h…

> I expect many will claim that they were groomed and forced to do it.

Many of them might well be. How can you really tell what kind of situation is going on behind the camera? Abusive relationships can hide in plain sight for years.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by underseacables »

dogorman wrote: post #382
underseacables wrote: post #378

What I think it’s going to be more interesting is the personal responsibility aspect. In ten or fifteen years from now, when only fans content starts coming up as these folks are applying for regular jobs in the workforce, pursuing political office, etc. I expect many will claim that they were groomed and forced to do it. That is to say, I don’t think young people today really appreciate what they are doing and how h…

> I expect many will claim that they were groomed and forced to do it. Many of them might well be. How can you really tell what kind of situation is going on behind the camera? Abusive relationships can hide in plain sight for years.

That is very true. I’m interested to see how many will use that as a way to redirect responsibility away from the decisions that they made, and just saying hey it was not my fault. It will be difficult to tell who was groomed and who is just trying to minimize their own responsibility.

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Post by genewitch »

chasd00 wrote: post #312
kristopolous wrote: post #125

Being curious about the onboarding, about 2 years ago I signed up and starting doing non-adult content on OF. It's really similar to patreon, substack or bandcamp; optionally paywalled content on a freemium model. The onboarding and experience of OF is somewhat odd in that it didn't ever say "this is for you to post explicit content". It's structured for it sure, but every page is isolated. Even on the splash it just…

It didn’t start out for porn but grew in that direction. Iirc when it started taking off there weren’t that happy about the porn but bank account deposits are a hell of a drug.

one can see this on twitch, as well. A couple of years ago the least tame streamers were working out or doing "Let's Dance" - but since January of this year the number of people in "hot tubs" and bikinis has gone up exponentially.

The primary issue (and one i have with it even if i am assuredly not a prude) is that Twitch is aimed at people under 20, their largest self-reported demographic is ages 13-19. Twitch (and let's be honest here, this is Amazon we're talking about) recently banned the top two female streamers for "showing hips in a suggestive way" or whatever. Both of these women have OF pages prominently advertised as well. Both are back now, and there's no indication that they've changed their overall model / operation on Twitch.

I imagine that Twitch telling the 4,000,000 'followers' to these two streamers that they didn't want their money anymore probably backfired. My understanding is that money transacted through amazon for twitch is split in two - that is, the streamer gets $2.50 for every subscription, Amazon gets the other $2.50. If the conversion for those 4 million followers is 1% subscriptions, Twitch taking a hit of $200,000 a month might seem insignificant, but that's just the conversion for those two streamers - not the overall loss of subscriptions by annoying 4 million people!

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Post by city41 »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #210
brazzy wrote: post #117

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> A lot of sex workers overtly reinforce social behaviors towards women (sexualization and objectification among other things) in order to appeal to men, which hurts them in the long run. This is something that's really been bugging me when looking at Reddit's porn subs. There has been a really noticeable change in the last 2 years. Back then, a majority of the posters seemed to actually be amateurs getting their kic…

Personally addressing the reader makes them engage more, tempts them into engaging with the author in comments or, if they're thirsty, DMs. It's like youtube videos where a repeated pattern is direct questions to answer in the comments, invitations to share your thoughts, or even games like including "hidden words" in the video. There's not even a reward or anything for finding it, but it's apparently enough for some…

I was always under the impression a video with more comments does better in YouTube's algorithms, so those schemes seemed more about pumping up the comment count rather than attempting to artificially engage people.

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Post by tharne »

SilverRed wrote: post #45
650REDHAIR wrote: post #20

So our kids are getting older so I've been paying more attention to popular social networks and it's wild how many YouTubers, Twitch'ers, TikTok'ers, Instagram'ers have OF content directly linked from their non-porn bios. I don't like it, but I'm not sure what a good solution is. I mean, people are free to do what they'd like, but it's hard to police screen time 100% of the time and their peer group has a lot more ac…

Have you considered the alternative that this is not an evil which you are unable to control but just another way of living / thinking of sexual content? There is nothing inherently evil about this stuff so why is it terrible that it is becoming more accepted/common? If in 30 years we live in a society where people post nudes like they do facebook posts, is there anything wrong about this? Could you describe the harm…

This is incredibly naïve. Social norms change, often quite quickly and in unexpected ways. You could have a near future where posting nudes is 100% normal, then 10 years after that it becomes quite taboo again. The problem is that the internet never forgets.

The harm caused is that an action you take that is socially normative, legal, and accepted today, may not be in the future, and if that action is documented online, it will inevitably be judged by an ever-changing set of standards and morals as time marches on.

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Post by slowhand09 »

newsclues wrote: post #282
Xylakant wrote: post #241

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I feel it’s dangerous shaping conversations around individual anecdotes. I can tell you multiple positive anecdotes from the nursing side as well. Another friend of mine did long-term individual care for a disabled person and they got along extremely well, even traveling and such. That friend considered that his dream job. My father’s current partner volunteers at a hospice. She considers that an important part of he…

You seemed to focus only only positive anecdotes, and then claim the negative ones are dangerous. Anyone can cherry pick data and present a few cases to support their world view.

Just stopped to say reality-wise..."The plural of anecdote IS data".

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Post by elliekelly »

Dumblydorr wrote: post #379
SilverRed wrote: post #45

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Have you considered the alternative that this is not an evil which you are unable to control but just another way of living / thinking of sexual content? There is nothing inherently evil about this stuff so why is it terrible that it is becoming more accepted/common? If in 30 years we live in a society where people post nudes like they do facebook posts, is there anything wrong about this? Could you describe the harm…

Do you think children should be spending their allowance money on porn? That's surely helpful for OF's bottom line but I question the ramifications of selling our children's sexuality to a few capitalist coders. Why is it bad? First, teaching children to monetize and sexualize in a capitalistic system, rather than how they evolved which is a more personal and toned down sexual experience. Their psyche is developing,…

Children can’t spend money on OF. Only adults can. Children can spend their money on the SI Swimsuit issue, though. And the SI Body issue. Do you take issue with that sexualization that benefits the capitalist behemoth that is Disney Corp?

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Post by cabalamat »

cmckn wrote: post #102
philangist wrote: post #89

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If a person has your full name (from your Instagram account you use to cross promote your OF) and naked pictures of you what can the platform do at that point to keep you safe?

Social media users are only just starting to realize that posting pictures when they're on vacation informs all their followers that they aren't at home and could be easily burgled; and the Bling Ring was over a decade ago ;) Sites like OnlyFans could have mandatory training about not revealing sensitive details (close the curtains before you shoot, take your diploma off the wall, use a stage name, etc.). But yes, yo…

> Sites like OnlyFans could have mandatory training about not revealing sensitive details

That's a practical proposal that would help.

Onlyfans creator Aella did a guide on camgirling a few years back: https://knowingless.com/2018/11/19/maximizing-your-slut-impa...

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Post by Spooky23 »

Telemakhos wrote: post #353
Spooky23 wrote: post #329

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Why do people sell cheeseburgers at McDonalds? They need the cash.

The median OnlyFans account makes something like $180 gross, $136 net, per month. https://xsrus.com/the-economics-of-onlyfans Any minimum wage job provides more income. Selling cheeseburgers at McDonalds would be much more profitable than working OnlyFans for the majority of OnlyFans accounts.

If you’re in a bad financial place, $100/mo means keeping your car insurance current.

Being able to make some money with a self-defined schedule is appealing, and the idea of selling your own porn probably starts out as a thrill.

Like anything else, any job turns into a grind. A gig where you’re essentially a circus animal performing sex acts for a crowd probably becomes fairly numbing.

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