Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

Post by jedberg » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 9:33 PM UTC

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Everyone may be created equal, but they are not treated equally as they grow up, making them unequal as adults.

You both seem to agree on that. You are only disagreeing on the methods for fixing that. I think one of you is saying 'we need to fix the root cause and stop being racist', and another is saying 'we need fix the symptoms right now because they're suffering.' What's frustrating is pretty much everybody thinks racism is wrong, and I legitimately think over 99% of the posters here are appalled by racism. But for various…

Post by pyuser583 » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 9:34 PM UTC

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You assume that all applicants are of equal attainment, ability, and motivation. However, women have to fight an in-built discrimination. While men are more forced into work because our gender role expects it of us. Thus, women who are candidates for promotion are likely to be more motivated and more ambitious than their male counterparts - they've had to fight harder against more obstacles to get to that point. I se…

> I see this in the gender balance of programmers. Female programmers have had to fight against a constant discouragement from pretty much everyone in their lives, while male programmers have had nothing but encouragement. As a male growing up in the 80ies and 90ies in Europe I must say this must be somewhere else. If this was the case then there would be some merit to the idea of "male privilege". From what I saw en…

Post by rufus_foreman » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 9:37 PM UTC

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Women were well represented in the early days of computing. The gender imbalance only started in about 1984. Some researchers think that was because home computers started to become affordable at about that time and were mainly marketed to men. https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when...

Women are also currently well-represented in computing in Eastern Europe, Iran, China, and somewhat in Russia. None of these regions particularly care about "women in tech", and most of them are certifiably more patriarchal than any of the Western countries currently suffering from under-representation of women. One can conclude from facts on the ground that neither gender equality nor pro-diversity movements correla…

Post by rufus_foreman » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 10:01 PM UTC

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> We do have a diversity problem in tech, no doubt. We should be a bit more exact. We do not have a under representation problem in tech, but a mis representation problem. There’s a lot of minorities that are well-, even over-represented - e.g. Asians, Russian immigrants, autists, people without formal education, … I’m guessing it’s one of the most welcoming and meritocratic industries! But those aren’t the “right” m…

> There’s a lot of minorities that are well-, even over-represented - e.g. Asians, Russian immigrants, autists, people without formal education, … I’m guessing it’s one of the most welcoming and meritocratic industries! I don't know if there's a name for this, but as a Russian immigrant this sentence reminds me of how in Russia, because everyone is generally white, people are stereotyped by region. E.g. there are spe…

Post by otto2 » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 10:13 PM UTC

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It is, but honestly I don't think I could comprehend code that was read out to me. It's very much something I do with the visual parts of my brain in terms of following the logic, etc. I'm not saying that it's impossible, and I don't know what kind of difference something like braille would make. Idk, are there any blind programmers that you know of ? Surely there must be some programmers who have gone blind, I wonde…

I know of blind programmers but don't know any personally. But I was actually talking about the reverse: dictation. I'm losing use of my arms, and even ergonomic keyboards aren't cutting it. Rehab set me up with a copy of Dragon so I can dictate, but even Microsoft Teams isn't really accessible with it, much less Visual Studio or any kind of terminal. I can see the code just fine, I just can't dictate it.