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Re: Internal Amazon documents shed light on how company pressures out office workers

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Post by discodave »

coalslaw wrote: post #368
discodave wrote: post #73

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In my experience at Amazon, line managers (5-20 people) still often act as if they have unregretted attrition goals. It's up to the Sr managers and directors if they spread the 6% goal around all their teams, or let one or two teams "implode". But the line managers know that their team either needs to outperform other teams or that the performance management buzzsaw is likely coming for one or more of their reports.…

To be fair, "regretted attrition" and "non-regretted attrition" are industry terms. Not Amazon specific.

I didn't know that, thanks!

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Post by rejectedandsad »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #378
rejectedandsad wrote: post #176

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Common among the cognitive elites, but the rest of us are lucky to get one. For me, Amazon was the one. And the fact that people think the bar is lower (and therefore I’m stupid) has made me cry myself to sleep before.

Getting into the FANG interview process doesn't seem that complicated, recruiters reach out to most developers / graduates on LinkedIn. Passing it requires learning a specific set of skills. I would say the bar is pretty much the same for all FANGs. If you were able to pass Amazon you could have passed Facebook or Apple. I see people that apply to multiple FANGS tend to pass some of them. Once you put in the work to…

> If you were able to pass Amazon you could have passed Facebook or Apple

I don't know, I failed Facebook several times and never got an interview at Apple. Getting an interview at most companies isn't that hard, but with Amazon on the resume I'm out of the game for companies like top trading firms and Stripe, Airbnb etc. I think I simply don't have the intelligence to do so. I'm sure some people have the ability to get offers after doing thousands of leetcode problems but I've never met them - everyone I know that's successful has only done a handful and passed their interviews without any trouble.

I've put in the work, but I've gotten nothing out of it. It's hard not to be discouraged by that.

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Post by decafninja »

rejectedandsad wrote: post #382
jokethrowaway wrote: post #378

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Getting into the FANG interview process doesn't seem that complicated, recruiters reach out to most developers / graduates on LinkedIn. Passing it requires learning a specific set of skills. I would say the bar is pretty much the same for all FANGs. If you were able to pass Amazon you could have passed Facebook or Apple. I see people that apply to multiple FANGS tend to pass some of them. Once you put in the work to…

> If you were able to pass Amazon you could have passed Facebook or Apple I don't know, I failed Facebook several times and never got an interview at Apple. Getting an interview at most companies isn't that hard, but with Amazon on the resume I'm out of the game for companies like top trading firms and Stripe, Airbnb etc. I think I simply don't have the intelligence to do so. I'm sure some people have the ability to…

Curious as to why you think having Amazon on your resume is a dealbreaker to some companies? Is this something that is known?

Amazon is probably a better name to have on your resume than the vast majority of other companies out there. I'd imagine you'd instantly be considered higher at first glance than someone with say, JP Morgan, or Lockheed Martin, or IBM, or any number of no-name startups on their resume.

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Post by slumpt_ »

RoyTyrell wrote: post #372
slumpt_ wrote: post #206

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Morons at Google do it, too. I knew a manager who wore a suit to every fucking meeting, and would make a point to bring up IC’s CL counts and lines of code changed during calibration / promo review. He still works there and likely has sway over the careers of countless more competent individuals than himself. Quitting Google was the best decision I ever made. Good teams are outnumbered by shitty teams with shitty man…

> I knew a manager who wore a suit to every fucking meeting, I don't understand why it matters what people wear as long as it's not offensive...

When you’re in a room full of people in normal casual attire you’re going to stand out like a sore thumb in a suit.

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Post by gergi »

asteroidbelt wrote: post #351
gergi wrote: post #280

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Source? I consider myself “sensible”, do not agree with this statement, and haven’t seen any data that would suggest the “majority” would agree.

59% Americans support breaking up big tech. https://www.vox.com/2021/1/26/22241053/antitrust-google-face...

What percentage of "sensible" Americans? If there's anything we've learned over the past several years, many Americans are not sensible.

My point is that I don't think sensibility is measurable so there is no way to assert "sensible" people want Amazon broken up.

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