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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ben7799 »

Koshkin wrote: post #369
ben7799 wrote: post #349

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Right the stereotyping here is ridiculous and full of out of control virtue signaling. If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. But Even if you own just a reasonable suburban house with a small amount of land you need to do a lot of dirty truck type jobs every year. I only have half an acre of land, but due to tons of trees I have yard work every year that causes me to have to do many many…

> If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. There's nothing "ridiculous" about people loving their toys. (People often own things not because they need them, but because they want them.)

Different argument but I can support that.

Point being people who live an apartment are far more likely to be buying a truck because they want it, and far less need for it for actual jobs & chores.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by stfp »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Lots of the negative comments are about how tall this truck is (and how tall trucks in general are getting).

Truck owners don't just use them to carry rocks and trees, they also drive them to the city, where the high grille, large footprint, crazy rate of acceleration make them threatening, dangerous to pedestrians and cyclists, and frankly just detrimental to improving the quality of life in cities.

It's absolutely rational that a vehicle optimized for rural workload isn't going to be ideal in cities.

What's irrational is pretending they have to be taller and wider every year.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by seem_2211 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #307
_coveredInBees wrote: post #175

I gotta say, I am very impressed by what I've seen with the F-150. It's clear that a LOT of thought has gone into this product and Ford clearly understands their target audience extremely well. There are so many nice features that are so well tailored to folks who buy trucks. All the features to power job sites, etc is really sweet and I can totally see that being super handy. Heck, it would make it super easy to wor…

I could legitimately see every job site having at least one as a rolling power station. That could be a very useful and popular niche, construction sites without power at early phases of construction aren't rare and power tool batteries are expensive.

I would be really interested in understanding the breakdown in F150's as sold by model number.

For a lot of truck owners, there's going to be some resistance because they love having a v8 engine etc. I don't see those people moving over quickly (although they might be swayed by the acceleration/speed). But if you're using one as a tradesperson, this seems like an absolute no-brainer. You're not driving enormous distances regularly and if you're able to run your entire job site for free, as well as have lower servicing costs... why wouldn't you?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by gok »

soperj wrote: post #348
gilbetron wrote: post #262

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That's what I was most excited about, and agree it is a game changer. Hopefully we can get small e-pickups at some point - I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore.

My dream car is an electric 1955 ford f100.

Well... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ranger_EV

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by herbstein »

bluGill wrote: post #377
misiti3780 wrote: post #351

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As someone who comes from a rural area but drives an EV, my whole issue with trucks is that 90% of the people I know that have trucks do not need them for work, it sort of a status symbol in rural America. A lot of these trucks are huge, not your standard truck, but more like a tank. Trucks get shitty gas mileage and potentially cause more wear and tear on the public roads, and are definitely not good for the environ…

Most people use their truck for something where they need a truck about once a month. However the cost of two vehicles (insurance and parking space) means that they are better off with one truck than a truck and some other sensible vehicle.

Would an estate or SUV with a hitch and a small/medium-sized trailer not work wonders in that scenario? It could certainly be cheaper.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by kibwen »

golover721 wrote: post #242
kibwen wrote: post #150

Ironically, the frunk on electric trucks is a game-changer. Complementing the bed with an enclosed, waterproof, secure place to carry things (and no mucking around with insecure bed covers) is a killer feature. No more springing for a crew cab just to carry groceries in the rear seats. In terms of practical carrying capacity this dominates an SUV.

Agreed, which makes it strange that it’s only available as a crew cab.

Indeed; I was trying carefully to not imply that this was some unique advantage of the F-150, but rather an interesting property of the electric truck category in general.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rcpt »

dboreham wrote: post #319
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

Combination washer dryer in our prius https://ibb.co/Dp8YxM0

We've moved 5 times in the past 6 years and I spend a lot of time with outdoors hobbies (mountain biking, surfing -- pickups are hugely popular for both). But not owning a truck has never been an issue.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by [deleted] »

endisneigh wrote: post #50

I'm curious, with the advent of electric what's the advantage of a truck vs. a minivan for a lot of situations? IIRC there were literal space constraints before which is why a minivan couldn't tow like a truck, but since the motor and batteries sit underneath the car, couldn't one build a van/minivan with just as much power as this? If that's the case, other than hauling very tall objects, why get a truck? A minivan…

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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by stfp »

chrisseaton wrote: post #252
bobince wrote: post #105

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It needn't have been this tall. With the internal combustion engine out, Ford could have designed a lower, more curved, less deadly front end. Instead, they kept the high nose and used the space as a trunk. After all, injuring fewer pedestrians sells no cars. Indeed, the market prefers an enormous, deliberately threatening-looking chariot that makes you feel big and virile. Ford are behind this game in that they have…

> an enormous, deliberately threatening-looking chariot that makes you feel big and virile Most people with a truck are just trying to get their job done. They aren’t trying to look or feel anything.

Incorrect based on 50% of trucks on the road today being absolutely pristine, and simply looking at commercials and their wording ("commanding the road")
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