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Post by smcl »

busymom0 wrote: post #248
smcl wrote: post #183

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I think life as a neo-nazi should be as difficult as humanly possible so I'd try find a way to boot them off any service I operate. It's likely many hosting providers etc have a "no illegal stuff or neo-nazi shit" clause in their TOS. A few of these sites have bounced around providers before landing with Epik, so it doesn't seem to be rare or hard to do. It's a choice Epik have made to, if not welcome them then toler…

When one doesn't defend free speech for those they don't like, then they don't care about free speech. Would you rather have them run their site in open so people can simply not visit their site and others can watch for vile stuff they might be talking about? Or put them under the rug so they go even more underground with even less opposing view points and thus falling in their echo chambers? Also now a days any oppo…

Nah I'd kick Stormfront off my platform without a moment of hesitation

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Post by SergeAx »

lupire wrote: post #282
SergeAx wrote: post #207

There is an ongoing meme series with that guy with stone face who mocks stupid social media lifehacks. Let me be that guy for a moment: Always create new Google account for your new project. Use that account for related Google Cloud, GMail, Google Play and all the SSOs into third-party services like Github/Gitlab, cloud CI/CD, hosting and so on. Just add your personal account as a collaborator to those services for c…

> Just add your personal account as a collaborator to those services for convenience. Congratulations, you've linked the accounts so Google can can them all together.

By "those services" I mean "Github/Gitlab, cloud CI/CD, hosting and so on".

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Post by varispeed »

namibj wrote: post #373
varispeed wrote: post #342

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Have you tried to use your GDPR rights and complain if they were not delivered? You are most likely get a template response, completely irrelevant to your complaint. Then few more templates when you try to "escalate" and finally you get no replies. That's how those big companies are serious about GDPR. Then if you try to complain to one of the body responsible for GDPR they'll likely say if you don't like the service…

Article 79 gives the data subject legal standing to bring a civil lawsuit against the data processor. It's been the case before GDPR that you had to at least threaten legal action to make corporations behave. Freedom of association does typically mean that a human can just ban you from ever being their customer again, but that's IMO an important freedom. The monopoly ISP in your municipality doing the same to you doe…

But these articles are largely toothless when it comes to big corporations. I am aware of only one case running against Facebook in the EU.

Then it is unrealistic to expect that an average individual will have money to sue the data processor, as the cost is out of reach for most of people.

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Post by snotrockets »

elzbardico wrote: post #299
snotrockets wrote: post #17

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Epik is excited to provide services for white supremacists. I'd think thrice if this is a vendor I'd like to have my name associated with.

Well, so this is a matter for the FBI and the DOJ. If you know of any such case, please report to them. And by the way, another reason private companies should not be in the business of law enforcement is because by cutting service to such sites they could well be damaging ongoing investigations

It's not about legality; it's about societal norms. Visiting the bar known to be a stormfront hangout doesn't make you a white supremacists, but would make most reasonable people not want to associate with you.

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Post by Tepix »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #278
Tepix wrote: post #156

Everyone is bashing Google, and rightfully so. I avoid using their services. However, I've also experienced the other side. I've run an online gaming business and we had to ban players that created multiple accounts to cheat. I remember an infamous player whom we kicked out after he created a bunch of accounts and used them to brazenly cheat. He created yet another account and posted on our forums complaining about h…

The issue is that it's better for society that a thousand guilty people go unpunished than that a single innocent one is. "The end justifies the means" is how atrocities are justified.

What i was getting at was that some of these reports may be from people or organisations whose account closures were not in error. I do think they should give people the opportunity to download the data from the account even after it was locked.

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Post by snotrockets »

skinkestek wrote: post #178
smcl wrote: post #76

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Well we are talking about companies with questionable ethical practices. It would be weird to NOT mention the neo-nazi tolerance when suggesting epik in a discussion like this.

As someone who has a lot to lose if nazis ever get back in power: isn't the correct thing to still register their domains and just go to the police with it? Based on my sysadmin background I actively try to know as little about my customers as possible: sure I might become a hero whistleblower but more likely I'll taint myself in various ways.

No, because this isn't a Phillip K Dick novel. Police don't do pre-crime: they comes after the crime happened.

We are also not the police.

You needn't ask your customers "Are you going to do something bad?" (sometimes regulation forces you to ask if they _did_, but that's a past-looking question).

But once you know they are using that service for unacceptable activities, it's ok to remind them that such behavior is unacceptable. After all, you don't want having a reputation of the place that has those kind of customers.

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Post by snotrockets »

spaniard89277 wrote: post #322
smcl wrote: post #183

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I think life as a neo-nazi should be as difficult as humanly possible so I'd try find a way to boot them off any service I operate. It's likely many hosting providers etc have a "no illegal stuff or neo-nazi shit" clause in their TOS. A few of these sites have bounced around providers before landing with Epik, so it doesn't seem to be rare or hard to do. It's a choice Epik have made to, if not welcome them then toler…

Problem is that everyone is a nazi nowadays, except the ones calling others nazis.

A paradox, as they declare themselves such.

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Post by snotrockets »

elzbardico wrote: post #300
busymom0 wrote: post #23

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Here we go again with the "white supremacist" boogeyman. Not worth discussing this because such discussions never change anyone's minds.

White supremacist groups are the for left what communists are for the right. In both cases, an absurdly overrated bogeyman and unchecked paranoia

Communists have no real power at the moment; the worse they can currently achieve is too long and heated political discussions and some graffiti.

White supremacists, on the other hand, are actually violent, as we all seen this last January.

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Post by snotrockets »

busymom0 wrote: post #248
smcl wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think life as a neo-nazi should be as difficult as humanly possible so I'd try find a way to boot them off any service I operate. It's likely many hosting providers etc have a "no illegal stuff or neo-nazi shit" clause in their TOS. A few of these sites have bounced around providers before landing with Epik, so it doesn't seem to be rare or hard to do. It's a choice Epik have made to, if not welcome them then toler…

When one doesn't defend free speech for those they don't like, then they don't care about free speech. Would you rather have them run their site in open so people can simply not visit their site and others can watch for vile stuff they might be talking about? Or put them under the rug so they go even more underground with even less opposing view points and thus falling in their echo chambers? Also now a days any oppo…

This isn't about free speech. It's about not being labeled a sympathizer.

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Post by [deleted] »

smcl wrote: post #183
skinkestek wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has a lot to lose if nazis ever get back in power: isn't the correct thing to still register their domains and just go to the police with it? Based on my sysadmin background I actively try to know as little about my customers as possible: sure I might become a hero whistleblower but more likely I'll taint myself in various ways.

I think life as a neo-nazi should be as difficult as humanly possible so I'd try find a way to boot them off any service I operate. It's likely many hosting providers etc have a "no illegal stuff or neo-nazi shit" clause in their TOS. A few of these sites have bounced around providers before landing with Epik, so it doesn't seem to be rare or hard to do. It's a choice Epik have made to, if not welcome them then toler…

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