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Post by Laarlf »

formerly_proven wrote: post #363
Laarlf wrote: post #353

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I have looked at the Model 3 and Hyundai Ioniq and even there the energy usage seems to be rather off. 15 kWh/100km WLTP vs 19 kWh/100km according to spritmonitor on the Model 3. 11 vs 14 with the Ioniq. So yeah, it seems like WLTP is not really accurate for EVs either.

Right, but then that number would have been even more off with NEDC, since that would give them higher range / lower consumption figures.

That seems to be true with Teslas. But at the end of the day it does not matter, since the number that you get with WLTP is useless.

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Post by kbenson »

amenod wrote: post #366
kbenson wrote: post #335

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More recently, he has been released on parole after roughly half his term served.[1] Interestingly, the article says: In Germany, inmates can be released after serving two thirds of their term. Parole after only half of the time is rare, but can be granted to first time offenders who demonstrated good behavior and are deemed unlikely to commit crimes in the future. I don't doubt he exhibited good behavior. I'm not su…

It is still quite likely he won't be repeating the mistake though. Prison is something else than just money.

I think that depends on what he thinks the mistake was. To him, was the mistake cheating, getting caught, or being in position to be made an example of? He may no make the mistake again, but I'm not sure that means he won't cheat again in a similar way, given the chance.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

kbenson wrote: post #364
TeMPOraL wrote: post #293

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... and make themselves the enemy of the entire industry. That's the reason almost nobody ever blows the whistle: the prisoner's dilemma variant here is the iterated one, and there are more than two players. If you defect, you get blacklisted. It doesn't matter if you're an individual abused by an employer, or a big company that, for a brief moment, grew some conscience. The only time when blowing a whistle makes sen…

> the prisoner's dilemma variant here is the iterated one, and there are more than two players. The assumption there is that you're all guilty. I agree, when you're all cheating, it's hard to safely get to a point you're not cheating and can inform on others, but the solution to that is simple, don't cheat in the first place. An actual rational actor would realize that cheating opens you up to this situation where yo…

I do think that these things are all mostly emergent - a competitor sacrifices a principle a little bit to get ahead, everyone else follows suit, thus enshrining it as a new normal. Rinse, repeat

That said, I disagree with "the solution to that is simple, don't cheat in the first place", for the reasons I mentioned: if all your competitors suddenly start to cheat, telling on them only works if you can ensure they all get burned down to the ground as a result. If some survive, you'll now be competing with them as an actor nobody trusts, and nobody wants to deal with. If that's a realistic outcome, you may as well just quit.

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Post by Vrondi »

yunohn wrote: post #61
captainmuon wrote: post #47

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A friend in Germany said he trusts VW even more after the scandal, because it showed their engineering cleverness. And also because they cared for their customers and gave them even better performance than the government allowed. In general, VW has a good, somewhat inflated reputation in Germany + parts of EU. In my experience, the cars are quite solid and reliable, albeit considered a bit boring. But you can also bu…

>> better performance than the government allowed My understanding was that this performance came at the expense of more pollution, which is what the gov is regulating?

Right, and many customers would prefer the performance, thank you very much.

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Post by Vrondi »

input_sh wrote: post #106
joeberon wrote: post #18

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Here in the UKs, VWs are considered reliable and among the easiest to find parts for

A running joke in the Balkans is that you can find parts for older Golfs in the nearest ditch.

In the USA, this is Chevrolet/GMC. VW parts you may have to hunt for/pay more for.

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Post by freeopinion »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #301
alasdair_ wrote: post #256

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I always found it odd that Americans have no problem with child labor at home, so long as it’s confined to movies and entertainment. We even have special laws just to make it legal when every other form of child labor is outlawed. It’s absolutely not the same as a sweatshop, but hollywood has a long track record of ruining children’s lives for profit.

There are over three hundred million people the US. A sizable portion of them dislikes Hollywood.

Yet, as a whole they will spend over $2 billion in a single weekend at cinemas.

Re: Voltswagen of America

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Post by Vrondi »

dalbasal wrote: post #200

If this isn't a joke, it actually does make sense. Easier to pronounce in english. Means electric car... the growth category. Why not? "Volkswagen" is big enough that the name just means the company/product. But, it isn't really good brand name for an anglo market. You either can't pronounce it, or the literal connotation makes you a little uncomfortable.

I mean, the "launched by Hitler" part doesn't seem to bother people, so why would the name?

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Post by kube-system »

elzbardico wrote: post #337
oblio wrote: post #2

This is funny, yet ridiculous :-)) Their brand is so tainted in the US that they're renaming it. I imagine it's going to be the only place they'll do it.

Hard to believe that most Americans care much about the Dieselgate. If they did, how do you explain the massive amount of SUVs and pickups carrying a single lonely driver that you can see everyday on America's streets and highways? Other than a highly educated and modernized young urban minority, I would bet that most Americans are not that worried about emissions.

I feel like most here in the US saw it as an example of lying and cheating, rather than an example of emissions.

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Post by ricardobayes »

natch wrote: post #202
tchalla wrote: post #137

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It is respectful to at least attempt to pronounce names from different cultures. In many cases, I totally understand it is difficult. In those cases, an attempt is great. In this case, the syllable F exists in Latin and I don't see why it. I must say, I have seen many many times a lack of interest to even attempt to pronounce of even write a name properly. One example which comes to my mind is Ghandi instead of Gandh…

Do you pronounce "Volvo" as "Fuhao" since it is Chinese owned now and that's their name for it there?

The realest of questions there. Or how Chinese bought Rover and renamed it to Roewe. It's a China-only brand now.

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Post by titzer »

sillyquiet wrote: post #246
titzer wrote: post #181

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Does it bother you when Germans say "zis"? German has no "th" sound, so "zis" is what they start with before they practice. It's similarly grating to Germans to hear their language mispronounced by others. And yet, English has an "f" sound. German has an extremely consistent spelling and essentially all "v"s are pronounced as "f". We share (the latin) alphabet, and English has absolutely no authority, given how incon…

'bother' me? No, not at all, the sounds are close enough I get the meaning, mostly from context. I am not sure why there should be an emotional factor here, as expecting everybody to conform to some pronunciation ideal they have no experience with is arrogant, to say the least.

Well you claimed that Americans are pronouncing it "perfectly correctly," and Germans might disagree. It's a German word which has been Americanized. The company mostly doesn't care, but there is a single correct pronunciation in their native language. Insisting you are correct mispronouncing a foreign word because the letters look a certain way is just hubris.
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