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> and trans people are the new token individuals You have to be totally detached from reality to actually believe this. Have you not paid any attention at all to the number of anti-trans laws being brought in a number of US states? There's been over 100 in 2021.
Wow, 100 anti-trans laws in 3 months? Have a link?
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Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin
#382Earlier quoted context omitted.
> puts you in one of two firm categories, and any sort of crossing over or breach between categories is impossible I find this debate interesting so I try to read a lot of different perspectives. I think the /r/gendercritical position was more nuanced than you make it out. They think that while humans can’t change their sex, rigid ideas of what it is to be a man or woman are one of the things that causes some people…
Indeed. I find myself more and more thinking that gender is a fiction we made up to get people not to harass us for behaving a certain way. Which is fine. It's a handy shortcut. I just think you're allowed to not be an extremist. You don't have to be in favor of bathroom door genital inspections to think it's a little unfair for Fallon Fox to get into the ring with cis women and break their skulls. People won't let y…
There's an image of a woman with a cracked skull that has circulated on the internet, juxtaposed next to a picture of Fallon Fox.
Guess who was responsible for that injury. Not Fallon Fox, but a cis woman.
MMA is an incredibly dangerous sport. If you want to talk about banning UFC I'm all ears.
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#383Earlier quoted context omitted.
> puts you in one of two firm categories, and any sort of crossing over or breach between categories is impossible I find this debate interesting so I try to read a lot of different perspectives. I think the /r/gendercritical position was more nuanced than you make it out. They think that while humans can’t change their sex, rigid ideas of what it is to be a man or woman are one of the things that causes some people…
> They think that while humans can’t change their sex, rigid ideas of what it is to be a man or woman are one of the things that causes some people to feel like they need to. They would say that society should accept a and encourage a broader range of expressions of femaleness and maleness than it does now. I can’t speak for all GC people, but for me it’s more a rejection of seeing certain behaviours as gendered at a…
That is absolutely not what I as a trans person or any of the trans people I know believe. Stop strawmanning based on your own stereotypes about trans people.
To repeat: I do not believe what you claim I believe. I do not believe that womanhood is only for feminine people or any such nonsense. I know and love masc cis women and masc trans women.
Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin
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I skimmed both articles and have found no proof of this. Both say "she", "Ms", and the correct name.
That's true of the articles directly linked in the reddit post, but not the Spectator article (that was not linked to) - https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/aimee-challenor-and-the-... - that one. (Which is the link that apparently led to the banning of the person who posted it)
This article was not involved, it was not linked to from reddit. I'm not sure how it's relevant to the situation
Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin
#385reddit is designed for censorship.
It has been a dumpster-fire of group-think since 2018.
Anything against the collective is quarantined and then banned. I stopped going there when they banned every decent meme subreddit bc of 'offensive jokes'
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#386Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeed. I find myself more and more thinking that gender is a fiction we made up to get people not to harass us for behaving a certain way. Which is fine. It's a handy shortcut. I just think you're allowed to not be an extremist. You don't have to be in favor of bathroom door genital inspections to think it's a little unfair for Fallon Fox to get into the ring with cis women and break their skulls. People won't let y…
There's an image of a woman with a cracked skull that has circulated on the internet, juxtaposed next to a picture of Fallon Fox. Guess who was responsible for that injury. Not Fallon Fox, but a cis woman. MMA is an incredibly dangerous sport. If you want to talk about banning UFC I'm all ears.
It happened twice, and she bragged about it on her Twitter.
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Well I doubt anyone here doesn’t understand where babies come from, and hence what sexual biology is about. You are a male person who wishes to present and live as (I assume) a stereotypically feminine woman. As I understand trans ideology, living and presenting is inadequate - the dysphoria / drive to be a woman - requires affirmed acceptance of full womanhood. This brings transwomen into direct identity conflict wi…
No, I don't present as a stereotypicallly feminine woman. I don't have long hair, I don't wear dresses, I don't have many interests typically associated with women, I didn't play with dolls (or trucks) as a kid—instead I played with hex editors and DRM protections on software. But my body clearly needs to be estrogen-dominant to work well, and I very strongly prefer they or she pronouns. "Trans people want to reinfor…
> No, I don't present as a stereotypicallly feminine woman. ...But my body clearly needs to be estrogen-dominant to work well
The stated purpose of feminizing/masculinizing hormone therapy is specifically to alter secondary sexual characteristics in a feminizing or masculinizing direction, respectively - so yours seems to be a comparatively uncommon use of such HT. Given that "medical gatekeeping" is merely a fact of life that applies to all sorts of substances and that there are also many arguments for gatekeeping access to steroids specifically, the proactive step forward for people like you would be to get your specific medical need described in the medical research literature so that, in the longer run, policies around access to steroids can be changed to more naturally encompass cases like yours. Blaming GC positions for such issues is just not very sensible.
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#388Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, I don't present as a stereotypicallly feminine woman. I don't have long hair, I don't wear dresses, I don't have many interests typically associated with women, I didn't play with dolls (or trucks) as a kid—instead I played with hex editors and DRM protections on software. But my body clearly needs to be estrogen-dominant to work well, and I very strongly prefer they or she pronouns. "Trans people want to reinfor…
> No, I don't present as a stereotypicallly feminine woman. ...But my body clearly needs to be estrogen-dominant to work well The stated purpose of feminizing/masculinizing hormone therapy is specifically to alter secondary sexual characteristics in a feminizing or masculinizing direction, respectively - so yours seems to be a comparatively uncommon use of such HT. Given that "medical gatekeeping" is merely a fact of…
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I'm aware of what hormones do, I did plenty of research before getting on them. I take hormones so that my body is feminized, which I like. But I don't present as a stereotypically feminine woman in terms of long hair, dress or makeup. I'm not sure why that is so hard to understand.
I'm usually perceived as a gender-nonconforming woman, which is how I'd like to be perceived as. The only reason people like me are uncommon is selection pressure due to medical gatekeeping. There are a lot of trans people who have no interest in conforming to gendered expectations, but are coerced to by the threat of losing access to medically necessary healthcare.
Medical gatekeeping is not "a fact of life" that can't be changed. There's less of it where I live and it works out just fine. Informed consent is the modern protocol and the rest of the world should adopt it, but GCs in places like the UK oppose that and want to reinforce silly stereotypes like "if you don't wear a dress you're not a real trans woman".
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edit to respond: sigh, no, transness does not hinge on gender expression. It hinges on gender identity and subconscious sex, neither of which are the same thing as gender expression. Gender identity is only somewhat related to social conceptions of gender expression.
What a lot of GCs do is deny the existence of gender identity. But that's just empirically false based on the evidence from millions of trans people worldwide, which includes literally me as a human being, writing this comment right now.
It is important to note that this is a contingent fact about Homo sapiens—it is possible that a different species with our level of intelligence doesn't have anything called a gender identity. But humans do.
Please read Whipping Girl. It goes into all this in quite some detail.
Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin
#389The ELI5 context for those (like me) that were very confused: Aimee Challenor is a trans (MTF) woman who was very active in UK green party politics. She appointed her father as an official in her election campaign after he had been arrested for rape and torture of a 10yo girl. For which he would subsequently be convicted and sentenced to 22 years. Adding additional color to the narrative: Aimee Challenor is very acti…
can you provide some (good)links so I can read more about each of these points? Thanks!
Some covered here https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/24/chaos-at-reddit-as-dozens-of-...
Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin
#390Earlier quoted context omitted.
> No, I don't present as a stereotypicallly feminine woman. ...But my body clearly needs to be estrogen-dominant to work well The stated purpose of feminizing/masculinizing hormone therapy is specifically to alter secondary sexual characteristics in a feminizing or masculinizing direction, respectively - so yours seems to be a comparatively uncommon use of such HT. Given that "medical gatekeeping" is merely a fact of…
??? I'm aware of what hormones do, I did plenty of research before getting on them. I take hormones so that my body is feminized, which I like. But I don't present as a stereotypically feminine woman in terms of long hair, dress or makeup. I'm not sure why that is so hard to understand. I'm usually perceived as a gender-nonconforming woman, which is how I'd like to be perceived as. The only reason people like me are…
> There are a lot of trans people who have no interest in conforming to gendered expectations, but are coerced to by the threat of losing access to medically necessary healthcare. ... GCs in places like the UK ... want to reinforce silly stereotypes like "if you don't wear a dress you're not a real trans woman".
Well, historically, the broad shift from a focus on "transsexual" status and "sex change/reassignment" (focusing on primary and secondary sex characteristics) to one on "transgender" and "gender reassignment" (focusing on some canonical gender expression) was driven by consensus within the trans community.
If anything, the more traditional or "gender critical" POV is that the earlier 'transsexual' focus was in fact appropriate, in which a transfemale person can be transfemale no matter what they express as, whilst "cis", "trans" or "fluid" gender expression is a bit of a red herring.