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Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by injidup »

_blu wrote: post #371
injidup wrote: post #322

Seriously? Selective sampling and click bait. Two recent programs come to mind and I'm sure this list is not exhaustive. "The boys" and "Orville". Both chock full of "heroes" who in-between being heroes are preoccupied with banging each other, getting drunk, eating or failing themselves. The last episode of "The Boys" ends with Homelander jerking off while perched on a ledge over the city and raging at the unfairness…

who's being selective? neither of your examples are mainstream. and isn't the Boys based on an old comic series? And it's certainly made to be a comment on the sexless trope we see in todays superheroes

Mainstream? "The boys" is one of the most popular series on Amazon prime. It is certainly not a basement cult series known only to a few nerds. Yes it is based on an old comic. But so what. Most "stories" are recycled or "based on". Shakespeare did this as well.

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Post by pjc50 »

throwaway8581 wrote: post #345
airhead969 wrote: post #325

Fuck all that mass-media social programming propaganda. Murder and violence are "okay," while sex and sexuality are "bad." I'll walk around naked, look at women, and hookup whenever I damn well please. Sex is awesome, bodies are beautiful, and no shame is necessary for either. Films that cannot be made in modern America: - Laura, les ombres de l'été (1979) - Lolita (either) - Pretty Baby (1978) - Caligula (1979) - Ro…

Sex is not harmless. While it is one of the great human joys, it is also the source of some of our deepest despairs, intractable conflicts, and personal tragedies. This free-for-all free love ethic that you celebrate, which erased almost all of the previous social restrictions on sex, inevitably created the discontent that boiled over into the #metoo phenomenon. It is also fueling the growing incel phenomenon. It is…

Be very clear on this: before #metoo and the modern era, rape still happened. It's just that it was such a reputation death sentence to mention it that few victims did. Partly because people like you would blame the victim.

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by pjc50 »

lstamour wrote: post #349
aksss wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That guy knew what was up. Does all of this just flow out of the technology that turns high population societies into behaving like low population communities? The lack of privacy, the moralizing.. combined with a too-far removed central authority? Is that the dynamic that Orwell was able to see?

It’s worth pointing out that Orwell wasn’t so much predicting a future as commenting on current trends. For instance https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4412199/ or https://www.jstor.org/stable/27673024 My point is not that the above articles are definitive but to show that the more things change, the more they stay the same, etc.

Please can you disambiguate between women having reproductive control and being "anti-sex".

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Post by pjc50 »

injidup wrote: post #381
_blu wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

who's being selective? neither of your examples are mainstream. and isn't the Boys based on an old comic series? And it's certainly made to be a comment on the sexless trope we see in todays superheroes

Mainstream? "The boys" is one of the most popular series on Amazon prime. It is certainly not a basement cult series known only to a few nerds. Yes it is based on an old comic. But so what. Most "stories" are recycled or "based on". Shakespeare did this as well.

On Amazon, yes. Not in the cinema. Cinema is what the original article is talking about.

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Post by dmje »

The title of this thread changed, didn’t it? Pretty sure it was the same as the article (“Everyone is beautiful and no one is horny”). I mean, insomnia had me reading it at 3am so I may be wrong but if so that’s a hilarious commentary on the state of things...

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Post by tinco »

dmoy wrote: post #326
_v7gu wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How old was Danearys at the start?

13 in the books. I guess they probably bumped that age up in the tv show?

Hell yes they did, the Drogo sex scene would be hilariously uncomfortably outrageous if they even hinted at her being underage.

Game of Thrones was lauded for it's gritty shocking approach to sex and death, at least in the first couple seasons, but I don't think a TV show could ever touch the harshness of the world as described in books.

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Post by injidup »

pjc50 wrote: post #384
injidup wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mainstream? "The boys" is one of the most popular series on Amazon prime. It is certainly not a basement cult series known only to a few nerds. Yes it is based on an old comic. But so what. Most "stories" are recycled or "based on". Shakespeare did this as well.

On Amazon, yes. Not in the cinema. Cinema is what the original article is talking about.

Perhaps the difference is important. Maybe not. Certainly the boundaries between "cinema" and "tv" are blurred with many people consuming most material via streaming. But maybe "series" can take more risk with the material than a "movie" just because the unit cost of a single "failure" can be amortized through the season if the the majority of episodes shine.

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Post by edanm »

uberduper wrote: post #241
joe_the_user wrote: post #52

Tiny point: "It was all bullshit: no one looks like that without calorie restriction." I'm 6' and I've weighted 135-145 pounds for my entire adult life and I'm 50+. Being a guy, I never restricted my calorie intake. I'd expect there are women with a similar metabolism. Which isn't to say that a lot of skinny celebrities aren't dieting like mad to get this look. But probably some percentage aren't and the rest hate th…

I think people greatly overestimate how much effort is required to have a fit/muscular body type. 3 to 5 hours a week of good intensity weight training goes a really long way.

I'll add to that that you do need to have a relatively low body-fat percentage to look much fitter. Relatively as compared to the majority of the population, but higher than most fitness models, of course.

I've been lifting weights for a few years, but losing a bunch of weight gave me a far better look, including looking more muscular.

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Post by mattowen_uk »

sideshowb wrote: post #380
airhead969 wrote: post #325

Fuck all that mass-media social programming propaganda. Murder and violence are "okay," while sex and sexuality are "bad." I'll walk around naked, look at women, and hookup whenever I damn well please. Sex is awesome, bodies are beautiful, and no shame is necessary for either. Films that cannot be made in modern America: - Laura, les ombres de l'été (1979) - Lolita (either) - Pretty Baby (1978) - Caligula (1979) - Ro…

Why not Monty Python?

It got banned by most cinema chains on release, due to blasphemous content, and full frontal male nudity.

Edit:

OMG, despite people voting this comment up I am of course talking about Life of Brian and not Holy Grail...

...I'll see myself out.

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