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Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by jimbokun »

scrollaway wrote: post #5

Israel feels like the only nation taking the importance and urgency of vaccination seriously. Here in Europe, articles are coming out complaining that the slow vaccination could be harming the economy which, well, fucking duh. ( https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/154626/c... ) Fast rollout. Involve pharmacies. Involve the army. Distribute widely and efficiently. Prepare for months before the vaccine…

I think it's almost entirely a supply issue?

Israel, UK and USA procured large amount of doses ahead of time, and now EU is having trouble getting enough doses for their population.

That was my understanding.

Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by call_me_dana »

hef19898 wrote: post #277
helge9210 wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As for being anti vax, the vaccine is practically being forced down their throats. This. I very much believe in vaccines in general and me and my whole family are vaccinated according to calendar, but getting injection of something that is still at phase 2 trials, created using technology never used before without information on long term effects is something else.

All vaccines are properly approved in the EU. There are millions of people vaccinated world wide. I'd say the sample size is big enough to be sure. And long term effects take effect not years after the vaccination, the carry on that long. So any long term effects manifest within weeks and months. And so far there haven't been any. At least not beyond what other vaccines and medication has.

I too can speak in an authoritative tone in complete generalities with no logic or reason.

Your comment actually creates more doubt about long term effects than it assuages. “There aren’t any long term effects. Because uh, there is no such thing as long term! Hah hah! It’s certainly not because they weren’t studied long enough.”

Try posting a study that backs up the nonsense you’re spouting because you don’t seem trustworthy.

Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by macintux »

the_grue wrote: post #309
benja123 wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is, but I am not sure how you enforce it as it is extremely hard to prove. I think they should be going after the people who have been making posts encouraging this type of behavior. Unfortunately the anti-vaxxers in Israel are extremely aggressive and they use a lot of fear tactics and deceptive “marketing”. An approximate translation of the largest anti-vaccine group in Israel’s Facebook page title is “Vaccines,…

I don't think you can reasonably conclude either that a) anti-vaxxer propaganda is effective insofar it attracts statistically significant number of new people under its bannder, or b) that FB blocking their pages effectively reverses the effect of (a). Personally, I hold the opinion that anti-vaxxers are more of a natural product of their environments than anything else. You can clearly see the distinction along the…

Deplatforming has proved very effective, at least in the cases of ISIS[1], and I would argue deplatforming Trump has helped to deescalate tensions to some degree (or at least, given the media something else to talk about than his rants).

Whether it’s the right choice is obviously subject to debate.

[1]: https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/status/13481478677399756...

Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by redis_mlc »

maxerickson wrote: post #377
code-scope wrote: post #373

Anyone know if the similar mRNA process can be used to create vaccine for normal FLU virus.

The same process can be used to target vaccines for other protein structures. So there is still the work to find a suitable target on the flu virus. Much of the science on the SARS 2 virus benefitted from the work that had been done on SARS.

> Much of the science on the SARS 2 virus benefitted from the work that had been done on SARS.

Can you provide more details on that?

All I know is that SARS-1 was in 2002/2003, and the US CDC/NIH refused to pay for SARS-1 grants after it died out.

Oh and the CCP didn't notify anybody about SARS-1 for at least 3 months, same as SARS-2.

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Post by f6v »

rock_artist wrote: post #33
scrollaway wrote: post #5

Israel feels like the only nation taking the importance and urgency of vaccination seriously. Here in Europe, articles are coming out complaining that the slow vaccination could be harming the economy which, well, fucking duh. ( https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/154626/c... ) Fast rollout. Involve pharmacies. Involve the army. Distribute widely and efficiently. Prepare for months before the vaccine…

To give some balance. Just as I got my second jab and waiting the 10min needed for surveillance. (Tel Aviv, Israel) > Israel feels like the only nation taking the importance and urgency of vaccination seriously. It's a mixed situation here. * Israel supposedly paid 3 times more than others per shot (but if it works, it's cheaper than the economy losses). * Israel has free public health care. * All public health care…

Belgium is a small, densely populated country. One of the highest average salaries in Europe. Not to mention great universities and flourishing biotech sector. Bottom line: this country can afford to pay for, and should be able to produce a lot of vaccines. Yet it doesn’t, I guess it’s some kind of EU bureaucracy thing. The UK seems to be doing much better since they’re not tied by the EU supply strategy.

Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by YZF »

tehjoker wrote: post #346
greenonions wrote: post #335

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Since when has 'law' applied to Israeli behavior in Palestine?

As a Jew, it makes me feel sick to see my people treat others as subhuman. My expectation is that of generosity, open democracy, freedom of religion, respect for international law, and demilitarization, but apparently US/Israeli geostrategy is having none of that.

I think it's an unreasonably high standard to expect Israel to vaccinate Palestanians in the occupied territories before Israelis. Going from that stance to saying (all?) Israelis treat Palestinians as subhuman is also a bit of a stretch. Are Americans treating Canadians as subhumans by not allowing Pfizer to ship vaccines from its US factory to Canada? In Judaism "the poor of your city" come first. What other country in the world is giving their bought vaccine allotment first to someone else or promoting anything that looks like worldwide equal distribution where every human on this planet has equal access?

And sure, as a fellow Jew I'd like to believe we're better than everyone else, but hey, we're not. I guess maybe better than some.

The complexity of the Palestinian/Israeli conflict can't be reduced to these simplistic terms. Anyone can take some specific incident or piece of data out of context and make their case around it, and all sides take every opportunity to do so while at the same time refusing to accept any responsibility to how they got to where things stand today.

I do hope that once Israel has finished vaccinating its population it will extend the additional vaccines to the PA and to Gaza, I think it's in their own interest and it's the right thing to do.

Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by call_me_dana »

ImaCake wrote: post #167
lucd wrote: post #104

Here is some chart showing vaccination effect on hospitalization for severe forms. Very telling. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/israel-severe-hospitaliza...

This is a really uplifting chart. These trends should continue as vaccination rates increase even more.

Not for anyone aged 0-60. It looks like there’s a giant upward explosion on hospitalizations for this age group. Or am I reading this wrong?

Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by hef19898 »

call_me_dana wrote: post #382
hef19898 wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All vaccines are properly approved in the EU. There are millions of people vaccinated world wide. I'd say the sample size is big enough to be sure. And long term effects take effect not years after the vaccination, the carry on that long. So any long term effects manifest within weeks and months. And so far there haven't been any. At least not beyond what other vaccines and medication has.

I too can speak in an authoritative tone in complete generalities with no logic or reason. Your comment actually creates more doubt about long term effects than it assuages. “There aren’t any long term effects. Because uh, there is no such thing as long term! Hah hah! It’s certainly not because they weren’t studied long enough.” Try posting a study that backs up the nonsense you’re spouting because you don’t seem tru…

Fair enough, I am no vaccine expert. So, what I got from sciency layman's info is the following: Long term effects are called that because the sustain for a long time, not because they kick in after a long time. Second take away, these effects for vaccines show themselves in the first couple of weeks and months. Given that we started trials almost a year ago and serious vaccination campaigns months ago with literally millions of people vaccinated, and still being monitored under Phase 4 trials if I remember well (which are standard for drugs and so), it is highly unlikely that any side effects have not been discovered yet. Sounds reasonable and logic to me, but then I have all vaccinations that are recommended were I live. Plus some optional ones. Neither do I read through al the potential side effects before I take drugs.

Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by hef19898 »

throwawayy1112 wrote: post #327
hef19898 wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All vaccines are properly approved in the EU. There are millions of people vaccinated world wide. I'd say the sample size is big enough to be sure. And long term effects take effect not years after the vaccination, the carry on that long. So any long term effects manifest within weeks and months. And so far there haven't been any. At least not beyond what other vaccines and medication has.

> So any long term effects manifest within weeks and months. So long-term effects should really be called short-term effects?

Long term because they don't go away. Not because they show up after months or years. My understanding.

Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by mjevans »

jimbokun wrote: post #381
scrollaway wrote: post #5

Israel feels like the only nation taking the importance and urgency of vaccination seriously. Here in Europe, articles are coming out complaining that the slow vaccination could be harming the economy which, well, fucking duh. ( https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/154626/c... ) Fast rollout. Involve pharmacies. Involve the army. Distribute widely and efficiently. Prepare for months before the vaccine…

I think it's almost entirely a supply issue? Israel, UK and USA procured large amount of doses ahead of time, and now EU is having trouble getting enough doses for their population. That was my understanding.

It still seems far too slow in the US. 'Warp Speed' got us to the finish line, but all out of breath and without the need to still plan and execute taking advantage of the race's completion. Reminds me that historically 'we' got to the moon, and then like 50 years later are only reaching the point of maybe going back again, hopefully regularly this time.
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