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Have you ever been in a restaurant? Yes, they do.

You're wrong. Try take away my rights be assured I will fight back.

You don't have a right to stay in a private business if they ask you to leave. Fight back and you get arrested (and rightly so.)

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You're wrong. Try take away my rights be assured I will fight back.

You don't have a right to stay in a private business if they ask you to leave. Fight back and you get arrested (and rightly so.)

Leaving and inviting other people to do the same is what I meant by fight back.

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A difference between us and Europe is that our country was founded on maintaining a separation between the state (which runs the schools we're talking about) and religion, and Germany wasn't. The entire premise of the Constitution --- really of any constitution --- is to insulate those kinds of governing principles from public opinion.

Article 137 of the Weimar constitution, which is part of the German Basic Law, says: “There shall be no state church.” I think the best reading of the Establishment Clause is that it prohibits exactly that, plus Congress also can’t regulate state established churches (which existed at the time). See: https://scholarlycommons.law.hofstra.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi... https://startingpointsjournal.com/what-is-the-original…

Whatever the Grundgesetz may say, I don’t think it stops the German states from collecting taxes for churches

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Put another way: In the US at least, r/jailbait didn't actually break any laws (well, maybe some individual posts did, but the whole idea of that subreddit was essentially to ogle underage women/children but in a way that was not explicitly illegal). So with something like this law all social media sites would be forced to host the equivalent of r/jailbait.

I don't see that as a good counter example. That sort of content should be illegal anyway.

Why should it be illegal?

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The wikipedia page I linked to clearly points out that polish people WERE involved in the holocaust. Not all, in fact I believe the vast majority of poles were not collaborators... but that doesn't mean this law doesn't make it legally sketchy to talk about the poles who were collaborators

Polish people were exterminated on a daily basis by German nazis. Over 5 million Poles were brutally killed. It is hard to miss German attack and occupation of Poland aim was also to depopulate it from polish people. Collaborators were punished because they were traitors and everyone seen and sees them like such. Below is a link to a Wikipedia where you can learn more: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Polan…

Polish people were also murdered in huge numbers by the Russians, but people often forget that.

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Out of curiosity, which facts do you mean? The law is stupid of course and an attempt to fight for their point of view(that is: xenophobic, racist and intolerant), but history is a subject rather widely discussed in Poland with all the sides being represented in media.

There are some who like to call Nazi death camps 'Polish death camps' because they were located in Nazi occupied Poland. This, of course, is frowned on by Poland. It is seen as a way of blaming Poland for Germany's crimes, while the people who do it play innocent and claim they are merely stating 'true facts' about the locations of the camps. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/"Polish_death_camp"_controvers...

I have never seen people seriously claiming that the Poles ran the concentration camps.

That's different from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration_in_German-occupi... which may be a controversial topic but one based on real history

Misspeaking and labeling the camps Polish due to geographical location is almost certainly an innocent mistake.

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