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By "the younger generations" you mean "the younger generations of women", since I can't imagine many men making as much money. Is this really progress towards equality, or a generation of women self-objectifying themselves.
The men are making their money on twitch/youtube
This guy seems to be operating on the assumption that MEN are to blame for pornography's status as a social pariah. As if mothers everywhere would be proud of their daughters producing pornography on Onlyfans if only their husbands weren't in their ear shaming them.
> This guy seems to be operating on the assumption that MEN are to blame for pornography's status as a social pariah It's called the patriarchy for a reason. I don't know about you, but the priests I see ranting about pornography, the politicians I see talking about regulating it, the police who harass sex workers, people running groups like nofap, so on and so on, are men. Yes of course women also contribute to it.…
That reason being, this is what many feminists think. And the rest of society don't call it the patriarchy for a reason too.
There are plenty female Catholics, even if there priests aren't (what about nuns?), Politicians/police follow societal cues. AFAIK, nofap has little to do with disdain for porn, and the people involved hardly represent society.
> as explaining how the current social system is organized
highlighting that the industry is run by men is otherwise irrelevant; unless you are blaming this fact as relevant.
> Not understanding that
There is nothing to "understand", this is just your opinion, not established fact. People do indeed make jokes about "fragile masculinity" etc - and those people are feminists, and there are plenty of jokes at their expense too (and afaik "snowflake" is usually applied to the left).
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Feminism stigmatized keeping a house functioning. “Barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen” became a slur thrown at women who had the nerve to not serve a corporate master.
I’m not going to downvote because it’s true there are feminists (including second-wave feminists who fought the really tough political struggles) who have shared the view that working in the home / building a family has less value than that of earning a wage / building a career. However, feminism is a (very) broad church and the majority of feminist that I’ve come across would argue for legislative and other societal…
and yet, feminists will talk about feminism in overall positive terms without qualification. If it's a broad church, it can't be all positive.
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> Porn always reminds me of other classical debates that have no end like guns and abortion. The camps of folks in the middle who are cognitively capable of making a difference can't because the outsized voices on either side of them are screaming for either total freedom or total shutdown. Conservatives and progressives/liberals have completely different world views: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Politics_(b…
> Especially in the US, where it seems the Right has moved further over than the Left: As of 2014, when that Atlantic piece was written, that may have been true. As of 2020, the left has also radicalized itself: * https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1339984166935359488?s=... * https://www.thenation.com/article/society/black-votes-repara... * https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/08/27/906642178...
It used to be that the GOP had little time for people like the John Birch Society. Now there are Qanon 'followers' (?) being elected under the auspices of the GOP party ticket.
Vox's Ezra Klein recently released a book on the matter (I have not yet read it), and going from this review, while there has been a shift on the Left, it is still the case in 2020 that the problem is generally asymmetric, and the majority has been on the right:
* https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/polarization-republi...
After all: there are people on the Right talking about a martial law and a military coup to 'correct' the election results.
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Also, this isn't historically true; women were and are a historically significant part of the industrial labor force, and before that did a good share of agricultural work as well. Certainly industrial labor had gender divides, but it's not a strange fluke that, say, most of the people who died in the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire were women.
Somewhen in the last two centruries, the general population seems to have internalized the view that making money = work, keeping a house functioning = not work. It's peculiar, if you think about it, given how big a multiplier the latter is to the former. I'm guessing this is one of the early case of society falling victim to metrics - making money is easy to quantify and compare, housekeeping isn't.
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>>they wouldn't need to do porn. Why is it such an extremely hard to believe fact that maybe there are people out there that aren't doing it because they are desperate sluts that are failures of society and are actually doing it because its work that they enjoy. Why is working at an injection molding plant making car parts such a better job? Seems extremely boring in comparison. The only real argument to make for it…
> Why is it such an extremely hard to believe fact that maybe there are people out there that aren't doing it because they are desperate sluts that are failures of society and are actually doing it because its work that they enjoy. Probably because we're biologically programmed to understand that's not the case? It boils down to a simple, but true, undeniable - and apparently for a lot of people, unpleasant - maxim f…
I have noticed huge changes in my life.
The bigotry and prejudice about sexual desire and sexual "acting out" may or may not be due to some fantasy about the relative price of sperm and eggs.
In other cultures, other places, other times that bigotry, prejudice, and shaming was/is not a thing.
A equally valid possibility is the shaming of sex work is due to misogyny. It is the powerful men brought down by the "sluts and whores". Hence the shaming.
I have a argument for that: In my country until recently it was a crime to offer sex for money but not pay money for sex. If the underlying cause was "relative cost" not misogyny then that difference would not exist
For those looking to escape porn: https://nofap.com/
I find it funny that there is a movement on every side of the political spectrum against touching yourself. On the left? It's more of a fetish type thing (chastity) but it's one of those lifestyle long-term fetishes that someone might notice at a party. In the middle? No nut November, which started as a joke but has a very serious reddit presence. On the right? no fap. None of these 3 groups have any overlap with eac…
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Feminism stigmatized keeping a house functioning. “Barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen” became a slur thrown at women who had the nerve to not serve a corporate master.
I’m not going to downvote because it’s true there are feminists (including second-wave feminists who fought the really tough political struggles) who have shared the view that working in the home / building a family has less value than that of earning a wage / building a career. However, feminism is a (very) broad church and the majority of feminist that I’ve come across would argue for legislative and other societal…
Empowering for men too. Patriarchy is harmful to everybody
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I’m not going to downvote because it’s true there are feminists (including second-wave feminists who fought the really tough political struggles) who have shared the view that working in the home / building a family has less value than that of earning a wage / building a career. However, feminism is a (very) broad church and the majority of feminist that I’ve come across would argue for legislative and other societal…
> However, feminism is a (very) broad church and yet, feminists will talk about feminism in overall positive terms without qualification. If it's a broad church, it can't be all positive.
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> Others may feel camgirls are collecting undeserved money, they don't do actual noble valuable work, just cash in based on their genetics and immorality. As someone who is a supporter of legal sex work and pornography. The "cashing on genetics" part bothers me the most. I don't know how to process when good looking people can earn thousands of dollars almost doing nothing (particularly on digital platform like OnlyF…
> The "cashing on genetics" part bothers me the most Well, welcome to all of life. More attractive people, taller men etc. get hired, promoted and trusted more. Not just in porn, not just in regular modeling or acting or singing, but also in any job. They get better options in the dating market. Genetically more intelligent people have higher chances at high earning jobs. The pattern on cashing on genetics is extreme…
Genetically being superior today is essentially a lottery, while then, it would be something you can buy. Imagine that society.