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Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by grishka »

varispeed wrote: post #279

We need some billionaire to step in and lobby against organisations like RIAA to make them illegal. First one who does it, will be forever remembered as the one who saved artists and their fans. RIAA only protects labels who obtain rights to art in questionable manner (just read so many stories about artists being cheated by the label). We need something that will be paying artists directly and there is technology to…

Labels must go too. Artists legitimately needed them when distribution required physically producing and distributing media to stores. With the advent of the internet, this is no longer required, so these middlemen serve no practical purpose any more. They're an unfortunate holdover.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by MauranKilom »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #326
globular-toast wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whenever you watch a video you are downloading it. youtube-dl merely gives you control over where that stream goes, whether it's to a hard disk or to a media player like the regular Youtube.

> Whenever you watch a video you are downloading it. Why is this comment downvoted? It's highlighting one of the most common misunderstandings that laypersons have regarding video download/streaming. Most people think that you can "view" content on the internet without downloading it. In this context, a tool which purports to "download" content, you know... sounds like it's nefariously doing something that the "viewi…

This may be completely true in a technical sense, but that's not how the law works (see https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23). And while the same bits pass through your connection, this equivalence already breaks down right away: There is clearly a difference between persisting a media file to disk vs having it ephemeral in browser memory.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by tpl »

Github did not stand up for developers here at all. It is wonderful that in the future they might, but it seems to me like they missed/have been missing a chance to really stand up for devs. The DMCA is being used far too often for abusive aims for my tastes and I hope that some reform is around the corner (Maybe more real incentives to not file false claims).

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by duxup »

ryanar wrote: post #184

It seems like EFF fought for youtube-dl and GitHub used their letter as legal firepower to bring the repo back online. If GitHub were fighting for the developer they would have funded the attorney, right? Though from their blog post it does look like they are taking steps to fund defense in the future as well as other steps to improve the situation. Reading EFFs claim is pretty interesting, they state that saving a c…

Also their examples in their docs for youtube-dl included copyrighted content ...

I'll let the lawyers debate that whole thing, but IMO I think that was a bit of a mistake / bad idea. Granted, fixable, but maybe a lesson of something to avoid.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by coldtea »

hunter2_ wrote: post #306
coldtea wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GitHub's users are developers, not the general user.

Year ago, long before I developed software, I would search for some software (to use, not to extend) and often find that the way to obtain it was by visiting SourceForge. In many ways, SourceForge and GitHub can be directly compared. Was I a developer for using SourceForge in this manner?

>Was I a developer for using SourceForge in this manner?

More or less. Regular users don't visit GitHub...

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by evilsnoopi3 »

rndgermandude wrote: post #333
typon wrote: post #302

ACLU and EFF are two of the last few remaining "Great" American institutions - living up to America's own image of itself.

The ACLU has had a bit of a paradigm shift recently, from "defend any speech" to "defend any speech we do not think is abhorrent". That's not necessarily a bad change, or a good change, depending on where you stand. I am just wanting to point out that the ACLU isn't necessarily "remaining", more "reinventing" these days. Here is a fresh Glenn Greenwald writeup on it (which is just one opinion, of course): https://gre…

There's a lot of "trust me" in this article that simply isn't backed up by the ACLU's own outline of it's free speech position: https://www.aclu.org/issues/free-speech

It is one thing for an individual in the organization to have a nuanced view of the issue and another thing entirely for the organization to have backed off a maximalist view of the right. I encourage you to read the ACLU's position (which interestingly includes "We’ve called on big social media companies to resist calls for censorship.").

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Post by sam0x17 »

kortilla wrote: post #110
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm convinced the companies considered as 'evil' now didn't think they would at first either. Something something unintended consequences. I mean Reddit; bastion of free speech or platform for hate speech? (they cracked down on that over the years) Dropbox; File synchronization and sharing platform or child porn exchange? Airbnb; Great way to find an affordable place to stay and / or rent out unused room, or platform…

But who goes into being an RIAA lawyer position thinking it’s going to be good at first? You have to have believed in the RIAA’s stance from the get-go because it hasn’t really changed.

Some probably think they are "protecting content creators" or some bs

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by app4soft »

ryanar wrote: post #184

It seems like EFF fought for youtube-dl and GitHub used their letter as legal firepower to bring the repo back online. If GitHub were fighting for the developer they would have funded the attorney, right? Though from their blog post it does look like they are taking steps to fund defense in the future as well as other steps to improve the situation. Reading EFFs claim is pretty interesting, they state that saving a c…

> It seems like EFF fought for youtube-dl and GitHub used their letter as legal firepower to bring the repo back online.

I'm at least one of those who requested EFF to take a look on "The RIAA’s attack on YouTube-dl is not a DMCA 512 infringement" thread.[0,1]

[0] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1320617082866847746

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24888234

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