iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro • Hacker News Board

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by atonse » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 6:52 PM UTC

pi-rat wrote: post #192

chki wrote: post #49

Very impressive technology: With those 4GB per second download speeds I can use up my entire month of data in 250 milliseconds. On a more serious note: what technology advancements will there be in the next 10-20 years that actually make 5G technology useful?

It will become cheap enough (both hardware and subscription wise) that companies can include them in basically everything. That way you can't prevent your TV from uploading data to the mothership by not connecting it to wifi. It's not a consumer technology.

I am hoping that SOME TV manufacturer SOMEWHERE follows Apple's lead and markets a privacy-conscious TV as a feature. I have never bought a smart TV (I last bought a plasma 12 years ago), so I have managed to somehow skip the whole smartTV thing. And I'd like to continue avoiding it.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by mitch3x3 » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 6:52 PM UTC

GloriousKoji wrote: post #147

hobofan wrote: post #93

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Even though "Android had it X years ago" is mostly a meme by now, I can't resist: The Nexus 5 had magnets that automatically aligned it on a Qi charging dock 7 years ago.

Oh! Oh! Oh! I want to play. The Palm Pre had a magnets to align wireless charging 11 years ago.

I absolutely loved my palm pixi for this reason in 2011. Had to wait 6 years for wireless charging again...

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by dankoss » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 6:52 PM UTC

seedless-sensat wrote: post #153

oflannabhra wrote: post #89

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At Apple’s scale, a decision like that has really big implications that from a single-user perspective aren’t that obvious. Not only do you bifurcate your entire product line and supply chain, your customers are not just individuals, but families. Think about a family who has one new phone that now won’t work with any of the chargers the rest of the family uses. On top of that, the new connector type won’t be compati…

They have to bite the bullet at some point

You mean to say they should have courage?

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by audunw » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 6:54 PM UTC

ianmobbs wrote: post #262

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #144

That was actually much more substantial of an upgrade than I previously anticipated. The stronger glass, MagSafe being able to stick your phone magnetically to surfaces, and the Dolby Vision HDR recording are what really got me. Not so much 5G.

MagSafe is really cool, but I'm incredibly disappointed they're sticking with lightning...

There's no point switching from lightning to USB-C now. The MagSafe (should make it just as nice to charge while using the phone) and dropping earpods in the packaging kind of confirms a suspicion I've had that they really, really want to get rid of the port all-together on iPhones. They've switched to USB-C on iPad.. there it makes sense, they're making it more like a laptop. But phones will go all-wireless. Like, there's no other logical explanation now considering they're going all-in on USB-C on MacBooks and iPads.

They don't want to do the switch now because they don't want to send the wrong signal to accessory makers. They want them to focus on Bluetooth and wireless charging.

If they knew it'd take this long to get here, maybe they'd have switched to USB-C at an earlier stage. I know there were many blunders and delays with things like wireless charging and Bluetooth 5 audio. So the situation has become kind of awkward.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by XCSme » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 6:54 PM UTC

cbsks wrote: post #281

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #144

That was actually much more substantial of an upgrade than I previously anticipated. The stronger glass, MagSafe being able to stick your phone magnetically to surfaces, and the Dolby Vision HDR recording are what really got me. Not so much 5G.

My big question is... does the new "Ceramic Shield" mean that I won't need a screen protector anymore?

This is what I thought they wanted to advertise by showing the attachments that go directly on the phone.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by nvarsj » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 6:54 PM UTC

cbsks wrote: post #281

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #144

That was actually much more substantial of an upgrade than I previously anticipated. The stronger glass, MagSafe being able to stick your phone magnetically to surfaces, and the Dolby Vision HDR recording are what really got me. Not so much 5G.

My big question is... does the new "Ceramic Shield" mean that I won't need a screen protector anymore?

Nope... it just seems to make the glass stronger (more shatter resistant). Which is unfortunate, given how bad iPhones scratch over the last few generations.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by elondaits » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 6:54 PM UTC

Spivak wrote: post #189

john_minsk wrote: post #166

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True. MagSafe is what got me. Apple is genius in how they keep pushing accessories part of the ecosystem.

They must be really confident with their drop protection because I don't know a single person who doesn't have their phone in a case.

I never used a case with my SE. i just try not to drop it. I had to get a case for my XS, reluctantly, because the camera is not level with the body... so I was afraid of scratching it, plus the phone didn’t lay flat on a table. The XS was made for use with a cover, not an option.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by ValentineC » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 6:55 PM UTC

colejohnson66 wrote: post #302

djsumdog wrote: post #231

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It would have been sweeter if it was regular USB-C, so we're not contributing to the massive piles of e-waste generated by their continually changing proprietary adapters.

But if they switched, you’d be creating waste anyways; you’d need to throw out your lightning cables and replace them with USB-C...

If waste really was an issue, Apple could do better and not use crappy insulation for their Lightning and MagSafe cables.

I buy 3rd party cables because I know the cables will eventually fail in a year or two.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by Dahoon » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 6:55 PM UTC

actuator wrote: post #320

I understand the value of the different phone sizes but still can't understand why companies are selling 64 GB models. I know we have everything in the cloud these days but with apps with rich assets and smartphones being more capable with cameras, you run out of 64 GB quite easily. 128 GB should be the baseline model in 2020 for any phone that costs above $600.

Most people only use their iphone for messages and phone-calls.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by Nextgrid » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 6:56 PM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #87

aviraldg wrote: post #69

There are two reasons I haven't switched over from Android. I wish Apple would try and fix them: * The lack of a way to move Whatsapp messages between platforms. (They'd just need to allow Whatsapp to use Google Drive for backup on iOS) * The lack of (physical) dual-SIM.

I don’t see them investing in physical dual sim when the future is e-SIM.

eSIM gives way more control to the carriers which is not a good thing. I can take out a physical SIM, move it to a different phone, bring it abroad, lend it to someone, etc and the carrier has no say in that.

With an eSIM, once it's provisioned onto a phone it can't be "extracted" and getting a new one involves the carrier, which can say no or make the process difficult/annoying, even if unintentionally.