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The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by claudeganon »

yowlingcat wrote: post #259
derefr wrote: post #238

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Fancy IDEs are lubricants for high-friction languages. If a language is already low-friction, there won't be much benefit to be gained from an IDE, as even a plain text editor will already get you near to optimal productivity in said language. Personally, I'd rather use a plain-old "code editor" (with at most syntax highlighting, but no snippets, let alone autocomplete), in part because doing so will actively steer m…

This is part of what led to me originally choosing Python in the first place so many years ago. I really liked Haskell but I found it hard to get things done with it. I tried to build out a large project in it, and with a deadline looming, decided to try building the rest out in Python. Python got out of the way for me and made it easy for me to "think out loud" -- perhaps this is what you mean by "hand-tools". I was…

Python is one of the few languages that I feel I can think in. I measure this by my ability to have “a ha” moments when away from my desk, where my brain has puzzled out how to solve something in idle moments (with at least a rough outline of the code).

I don’t have trouble working things out in other languages, as needed, but rarely find myself having these little bursts of inspiration.

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Post by spullara »

paxys wrote: post #219
willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

While editors like IntelliJ are definitely more polished out of the box, something that may not be apparent is that internally they are all standardizing on tooling and protocols put in place by VS Code in the last few years. Language toolchains are now expected to provide IDE-specific features on their own (by implementing a language server), and so IDEs themselves don't need to focus on making the language better.…

Those features are terrible comparatively. If anything I would buy jetbrains server implementing those features if they offered one.

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Post by smt88 »

fomine3 wrote: post #342
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So, with a full disclaimer that I am somewhat newish to C# and have only learned it because it operates in game engines faster (currently) and has become the language du'jour for game programming. The glaring hole with C# however is, it is designed for Visual Studios, and that is NOT available for Linux. This is a GIANT hole in the programming world. Visual Studios Code fills that gap, thankfully, and I can use it in…

Try Rider by JetBrains!

Rider is far better than Visual Studio anyway. If I had to use Visual Studio all the time, I probably wouldn't voluntarily write any C# again.

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Post by renewiltord »

varispeed wrote: post #228
willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

From my experience out of the box you get poor performance and you have to spend a lot of time figuring out how to change configuration to improve it as knowledge is scattered in many places and not always up to date. Then it still likes to stall from time to time or sometimes doesn't register key presses properly. It's a poor user experience, but even worse is that alternatives are often worse. I wish there was an e…

Well, I think you're right about performance being a problem, but I have 64 GiB and a 4790k and an NVMe SSD. It's like half a percentage of my pre-tax income and was even less when I bought it.

I don't need efficiency. I need something that, given fuel, gives me power. And as someone who has donated to vim, was an early backer of neovim's bountysource, and loves his terminal: vim is my ion drive, IntelliJ and friends are my conventional rocket.

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Post by beart »

enlyth wrote: post #83
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My only problem with it is performance when you load large repos and occasionally large files because it is an Electron app eventually. I know the extension ecosystem has thrived just because it is Electron but I wish MS worked on a native editor to achieve it.

People like to bash VS code performance, but try opening a 60MB JSON file in different editors on Windows for example. Notepad doesn't even load and crashes, Sublime will takes minutes to even load the file, Notepad++ will be unusable as scrolling will take a few seconds, and in VS Code it opens immediately and you can seamlessly scroll to any one of the 600k lines without any delay.

I can't agree on Notepad++. It is my go-to for opening very large log files and I've never noticed scrolling issues. I love VS Code but I've found notepad++ to be the better solution for 'read-only' situations (opening very large files, searching files / directories).

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Post by mycall »

nightowl_games wrote: post #334
varispeed wrote: post #228

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From my experience out of the box you get poor performance and you have to spend a lot of time figuring out how to change configuration to improve it as knowledge is scattered in many places and not always up to date. Then it still likes to stall from time to time or sometimes doesn't register key presses properly. It's a poor user experience, but even worse is that alternatives are often worse. I wish there was an e…

JetBrains products _are_ pretty much the best. I think Android Studio + Kotlin is the best, most impressive IDE experience I've ever had. Mostly because Android Development in general is kinda hard, and Android Studio cleans it all up so nicely for you. It really outshines XCode in this regard. I've never used CLion but I really want to. That being said, I think it's clear that VSCode is, and will remain, dominant. F…

Today, Microsoft received an exclusive license for GPT-3. It is already known that it can write code if asked in natural language declaratively (in certain cases). I could see an integration with github's code (specifically retrained with) and see some really interesting stuff.

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Post by sangnoir »

aschatten wrote: post #291
varispeed wrote: post #228

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From my experience out of the box you get poor performance and you have to spend a lot of time figuring out how to change configuration to improve it as knowledge is scattered in many places and not always up to date. Then it still likes to stall from time to time or sometimes doesn't register key presses properly. It's a poor user experience, but even worse is that alternatives are often worse. I wish there was an e…

(disclaimer: I am an IntelliJ fanboy) > From my experience out of the box you get poor performance and you have to spend a lot of time figuring out how to change configuration to improve it as knowledge is scattered in many places and not always up to date. I don't know if you are talking about IntelliJ or VCS, but IntelliJ can quickly start an empty project. And you don't to spend time to figure out how things work.…

I'm a fanboy of both JetBrains and VSC. In the many years I've used JetBrains IDE variants (IntelliJ, Webstorm & Pycharm), I was never able to get rid of the frequent project re-indexing that slows everything down and makes the fans go crazy; you'd think they would cache that info and write it to disk.

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Post by no_wizard »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #280
no_wizard wrote: post #225

Question I have for everyone who doesn't use an IDE What is your workflow? I find the following to be true, in that one of 3 things happens inevitably: 1. The Text Editor becomes the IDE, (e.g., with VSCode, if you just live in plain HTML, CSS/SCSS/LESS and JSX/TSX/JS/TS all day, its actually pretty great, lots of well maintained extensions and Microsoft really put their energy into capturing into this market with VS…

Geany plus Makefile with automated functions. Build keys can be assigned to avoid Window switching. What walls were you hitting? Disclaimer, I have used Pycharm on a really big work project but most of the time, don't.

Admittedly a lot of it is around things like built in documentation, viewing source code from inside modules (I’m a frontend software engineer so inside node_modules for instance) and the ability to simply let the IDE handle certain things with refactoring components or generating boilerplate.

I found I repeated myself less and improved my productivity this way

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Post by tomc1985 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #375
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Yeah but "Hello World" in actual java is a main class and a quick write to stdout, like most any other normal (programming, not scripting) language

> Yeah but "Hello World" in actual java is a main class and a quick write to stdout, like most any other normal (programming, not scripting) language. Scripting languages are programming languages, and a class with a method is only typical of a narrow class of languages (most of which that aren't Java are specifically designed to closely follow Java); leaving aside those programming languages typically called “script…

My point was that Java's hello world is comparable to most other language, and that hello world in Android is a poor example
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