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Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Apple has always been an asshole. I was an original Macintosh beta tester - I had a Mac summer of'83, 6 months before their release. Yet, I have never shipped commercial Apple software. Their developer treatment has never been ethical, and I simply never put up with it.

What were you working on?

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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What’s the downside of the update not being in the store today vs next week?

If its a popular app with lots of competition, if your competitors have a working app and yours is broken then people will jump ship and once that happens hard to get people to go through the hassle of moving again. Though I'm not an mobile app developer just one of the things I can see as a downside.

This doesn’t make sense - if it’s a hassle to move, people aren’t likely to just ‘jump ship’ in the next few days.

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Which apps are broken?

There's a thread for this on MacRumors: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-14-broken-buggy-app...

Those apps were not broken between beta 8 and the GM, so this has nothing to do with Apple’s release schedule.

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> No particular date was set for when users would be able to install apps with the new features. The expectation is that apps will support the new features on day one. Because that's how it has worked in the past. > what excitement are we talking about? Users will get app updates automatically as they become available. Again, historically, apps support the new features on day one. That won't be the case with this rel…

Ok - so it sounds like it’s actually not really a problem at all this time around, but if there had been game changing features it might have been? My guess is that Apple would have taken this into account when scheduling the release. If there was some marquee feature where day 1 support was important, this would have been part of Apple’s planning. It’s clear to me that this is really not a big deal at all and that t…

I wouldn't say it's not a big deal. It could very well be a big deal to them.

Is it the end of the world? No, I don't think so, but it is very clearly causing a lot of developers pains today, you should at the very least acknowledge that and understand that just because you can shrug it off doesn't mean they can.

Something that is severely missing from the world of software, and I suspect engineering in general, is empathy. Hell, it's missing from the world today. Look at the political climate in the US for another big example.

So maybe that's what your takeaway should be, show a little empathy to those who are struggling today and understand that. On top of a global pandemic, on top of possibly having their kids at home and being home schooled or learning virtually, having maybe lost a loved one, maybe even had to abandon their home due to fires, that on top of any or all of that they now have to deal with the pains of an iOS release with no warning. Empathy. Try it.

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The difference is that notification spam on the web is allowed to escape the sandbox. Because of the punch the monkey nature of the web, I inadvertently clicked “allow notifications” on both PCWorld and Tom’s Hardware on different occasions - they both spammed me at least once a day. But not enough to figure out how to disable it. To get rid of the cookie notifications, I can at least set web pages I go to default to…

I never accept web notifications, not even on slack. The problem is that if Apple singlehandedly decide what's right and what isn't we are back to IE.

There is a middle ground I would be okay with. A website is only allowed to ask you if want notifications if you added it to your home screen. If you delete the web page from your home screen, it automatically disabled the notification. It falls within the same paradigm that people are accustomed to.

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How so? Lineage works without gapps, although obviously you then lose access to those services, including the Play Store.

I’ve never used LineageOS, I was asking. I didn’t see how you could completely separate Android and Google, especially for things like contact syncing.

Ah, okay. So the simplest case is that you just don't have those features through Google so you have to find another provider. For instance you can do contact sync through CardDAV courtesy of apps like https://www.davx5.com/, email with K-9 Mail, get apps from F-Droid, etc. Depending on exactly what the problem with Google is, you can also use unofficial software that still talks to Google services like https://microg.org/ instead of play services and newpipe instead of the official youtube app.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Apple has never had even 50% of the US smartphone market. https://www.counterpointresearch.com/us-market-smartphone-sh...

iOS is 60% of the mobile (phone+tablet) market https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-sta...

Studies have shown that individual iPads and iPhones are used for web browsing much more than Android devices, just as their users spend more on apps.

So Web Browsing is a very imperfect measure of installed base. Worldwide estimates are that that less than 20% of mobile devices sold are iOS, roughly 15% iirc. It’s almost certain US sales percentages for iOS are much higher, but no where near 60%.

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Playing the devils advocate here. This browser restriction is what I'd wager is keeping the non-chromium browser market at a substantial proportion.

I am wondering what you are referring to with 'non-chromium' browser market. Typically people don't complain about chromium-based browsers, but about the dominance of Webkit-based browsers (Safari, Chrome, Opera, Edge, etc.) and from that perspective there is more or less just Firefox left. Nevertheless, that is besides the point as the rendering engine is not the sole source of browser differences. I am not saying t…

Google forked WebKit 7 years ago.

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many developers have really no choice (at least not individually). They don't really have the means to vote with their wallets, as foregoing the whole iOS market is.. not a choice. What EPIC is doing is trying to rally people on their side of the fight. This is the same reason why people (workers) have unions, in the traditional job market. It's not really comparable because developers are not workers, but there are…

Epic doesn’t care about anything except for their own profits.

Just because it's in their self interests does not mean getting rid of the forced walled garden does not benefit other developers.

At the end of the users own the devices not apple. It should ultimately be up to the user.

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How so? Lineage works without gapps, although obviously you then lose access to those services, including the Play Store.

I’ve never used LineageOS, I was asking. I didn’t see how you could completely separate Android and Google, especially for things like contact syncing.

LineageOS comes with AOSP stock applications and you can install additional app stores on it. You can also install the google apps packages including play store and play services, but you don't have to. Of course many 3rd party apps rely on play services e.g. for payment.
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