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Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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echelon wrote: post #286
diebeforei485 wrote: post #270

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Two points- (1) Presumably Apple wanted to try to send a very quick message to others to not try to make similar moves (and to reassure other developers that Epic wasn't getting a special deal) instead of waiting 30 days. (2) I've said this before and it's important to understand this: just because a contract says Apple can do something (terminate the contract with Unreal Engine), that does not mean they can do it. I…

Per item 1, now would be a good time for every single developer on the app store to revolt in unison. Collective bargaining.

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Post by pjmlp »

wayneftw wrote: post #245
hirako2000 wrote: post #220

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Be a developer for another platform then. What makes the platform is both consumers and producers of apps. Vote with your wallet and your merchandise.

No sane app development business would do this when half of their potential customers are on an iPhone. I'd rather vote in legislators that will maintain the existing laws of the land, which state that you can't use your Apple-sized market power to keep competitors from doing business.

80% of world's customers are on Android.

There are countries with 0% market share for iOS.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by Mtinie »

GeekyBear wrote: post #377

Epic seems to be asserting that access to Apple's developer tools requires a developer account. Since XCode is freely downloadable by anyone, does anybody know which tools they are talking about?

Code signing requires an Apple Developer account. Without being about to sign a package you can't publish to the App Store.

You can develop apps for iOS and OS X, and then publish to (a) test device(s) from XCode without one, but that's about it.

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Post by newacct583 »

scarface74 wrote: post #373
newacct583 wrote: post #357

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> It’s still a negotiation tactic. Which is exactly what I said it was, and not consistent with your framing of departure as a "perfectly logical thing to do". I'm happy we agree.

Why isn’t negotiating a perfectly logically thing to do? You use the weapons you have.

In the sentence to which I replied, the antecedent to "that" (in "That’s a perfectly logical thing to do") was not "negotiating" it was "leaving the state".

I genuinely can't follow your point. These goalposts are moving too fast, sorry.

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Post by yibg »

marakv2 wrote: post #123
ericmay wrote: post #84

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I think it’s strange that others (a small subset of people) want to take something great and ruin it. I understand that someone wants to tinker with their phone, but in that case that’s just not what an iPhone is for. It never has been.

You think that allowing another app store will ruin your iPhone? That's incorrect. Just don't use it.

I don't understand this argument of pushing for change and if people don't like the change, well don't use it.

Why don't you just not use it then if you don't like it the way it is?

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Post by onetimemanytime »

Just wow: Epic Games moves this Court to allow it to access Apple’s platform for free while it makes money on each purchase made on the same platform. While the Court anticipates experts will opine that Apple’s 30 percent take is anti-competitive, the Court doubts that an expert would suggest a zero percent alternative. Not even Epic Games gives away its products for free.

Plus the more or less: why is this an emergency when you decided yourself when to violate the agreement?

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Post by pjmlp »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #231
ctvo wrote: post #209

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I support that anti-Microsoft folks in the 90s should use Linux, Macintosh or an abacus. Plenty of choices. Vote with your wallet.

The market share and dominance is not even remotely comparable.

Sure it is, there are plenty of countries were iOS devices, if any, are in the hands of a couple politicians and their families.

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Betelgeuse90 wrote: post #355

Some of my highlights: - "Irreparable Harm: The issue of irreparable harm focuses on the harm caused by not maintaining the status quo, as opposed to the separate and distinct element of a remedy under the likelihood of success factor. Here the court's evaluation is guided by the general notion that “self-inflicted wounds are not irreparable injury.” - "While the Court anticipates experts will opine that Apple’s 30 p…

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Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by pjmlp »

wayneftw wrote: post #210
pjmlp wrote: post #199

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I support that anti-Apple folks should get Android, Jolla, Purism,... Apparently voting with the wallet means buying status and then complaining about what one has bought.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Why are you giving advice for users in a thread about developers rights? 90% of the youth market uses an iPhone and that's the same market Epic is in. Outside of youths, 50% of the US population uses an iPhone.

80% of the world is on Android, plenty of money to make there.

Also as a developer whose employer targets Apple devices, I am more than at home with Apple's decisions.

Don't like them? Target Android, Web,..

Check how open are games consoles for a change.

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