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Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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> Since when do we define the value of something by the > infinite list of things it can't do? When that infinite list is things people want. I speaking of course from the "consumer" perspective and outlining some reasons why this robot is many, many years away from being ready for that market. This particular robot will likely never be anything other than a research platform that has all support dropped for it after…

I think you're looking at this the wrong way. It only needs to be able to do juuust enough work to justify its cost (obviously not true yet). Roomba is, for example, an even more limited device, but since it does one thing well enough to justify a $500-$900 price. Talking about all the myriad of things it can't do is just pointless.

The point I'm making is, this robot is being sold on the idea of some magical do-all machine around your house, when the reality is far different.

The problems I stated are really some of (but not all) the key problems that need to be solved in order for it to do as the advertising suggests. To put the problem into perspective, with billions of dollars man could send people to the moon, but is still unable to solve some of these fundamental robotics problems with similar funding.

I agree though, if this is ever to be a consumer product then it needs a massive reduction in scope and price drop (depending on what problem it solves). It's hard to think of a problem that is as commonly shared and simplistic in scope as hoovering without being a gimmick though.

You've got cooking which is basically automated through meal prep (e.g. microwave meals or even fast food services). You've got cleaning clothes - but the scope is enormous. Dusting and putting small items back in their correct location may be the only real possibility.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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I just checked homedepot.com, and a search for "dishwasher" brings up options from $400 to $550. It would be.... optimistic... to expect any household robot for anywhere near the same price to do that job as well and as durably as a conventional dishwasher. Which, I should point out, can wash dishes for years with no maintenance at all! In fact, you can write news stories about the idea that dishwashers require any k…

But if you look at the last 10y of breakthrough advances in vision, text/language understanding, sensors, electric motors, & goal-directed training, and project them out another 10-20y... it's just a matter of time, isn't it?

Of course it's a matter of time. But it's a little like watching the nuclear fireball rise over the Trinity test site and think "Wow, I can't wait to use this technology for radioisotope imaging." That's one thing that it can be used for, yes! There are others.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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The sooner you're exposed as a fraud the better. So please definitely use it :)

The reality is that unless you're well known - no one cares if you lie about this stuff.

Please go ahead and do it.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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Things it can't do: - go up stairs - get up after a fall / reset itself - pick up heavy objects - precise motion (so no cooking) - interact with buttons or touch screens (so laundry might be hard) The one use case I think it might be worth it is if the robot can take a room full of toys and return everything back to where it belongs. Kind of like a one click, reset this room. If it can help me keep organized and clea…

When I saw the video I was mainly thinking about all the things it might be able to help my elderly grandmother with.

I mean I get that luxury and convenience of this robot taking care of stuff that you find boring or tedious, but imagine this robot being able to do certain normal every-day stuff that you're actually no longer able to do yourself? (Or maybe you're capable but it hurts to do, you get the idea)

A few years ago I had my leg in a cast, and I'm just thinking if this robot could've helped me put on my sock?

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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Contrarian point of view -- (edit) this clever device overall takes too much capital and solves no real problem, meanwhile pressing and urgent problems needing tech, remain unaddressed, year after year. For centuries, real, physical actions in home life were improved with (mainly mechanical) devices subject to patent. The industrial revolution provides vast flows of consumer goods. Finance prospered (mainly) with loa…

> get-rich personal consumption devices I guess you don't have any disabled friends/family.

oddly, you are completely incorrect

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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post #280

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is anything with a motor a robot? of course there is a hierarchy, with the stepper-driven open-loop machine he gave as an example being further down the ladder.

No, I mean literally. Industrial arms aren't necessarily any more complex than CNC machines. They may not have any more motors. They perform tasks of similar complexity, with similar programming models. We call them "robot arms" quite happily.

this is inaccurate in a variety of dimensions. they have more complicated gearing (strain-wave) and and perception systems for safety (for nearby humans) and positioning (unless you can get the stunning tolerance stacking that the automotive industry gets.)
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